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craighopkins said:
Trump is with the people and with God. The fake media and paid protesters have a evil agenda and are with the devil

If your god supports nazis and a man who deceives others, then fuck him.

I'm not a paid protestor. I never joined antifa or any other dumbass group and have not received a single penny for my actions. Unless you're being sarcastic, I'd honestly be very concerned if you actually thought any sort of deity would actually support the moldy cheeto in our office. 



monocle_layton said:
craighopkins said:
Trump is with the people and with God. The fake media and paid protesters have a evil agenda and are with the devil

If your god supports nazis and a man who deceives others, then fuck him.

I'm not a paid protestor. I never joined antifa or any other dumbass group and have not received a single penny for my actions. Unless you're being sarcastic, I'd honestly be very concerned if you actually thought any sort of deity would actually support the moldy cheeto in our office. 

Pretty much every post he makes in this kind of threads is about God supporting him and his great leader and his political opponents being satanists.



Wake up people. Reread illusion s post and then think about it



deskpro2k3 said:

Watch at 2:33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GxQR6ssap4

And this just proves how both sides are fucking dumb to begin with. I can't believe some people are rationalizing Antifa which is a hellspawn of everything liberal gone wrong.

I'mma grab some popcorn and see how these two sides decide to one-up one another over who has the most tunnel visioned political view.



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The trumpence are being let off before the 2nd coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ



iron_megalith said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Watch at 2:33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GxQR6ssap4

And this just proves how both sides are fucking dumb to begin with. I can't believe some people are rationalizing Antifa which is a hellspawn of everything liberal gone wrong.

I'mma grab some popcorn and see how these two sides decide to one-up one another over who has the most tunnel visioned political view.

 

i'm sorry dude, but you can't compare antifa with nazi/kkk. ain't nothing worse than nazi/kkk. lol

To other previous comments and future ones: seriously, how the hell is anybody worse than a Nazi? Oh yeah, nazi sympathizers.


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deskpro2k3 said:

Watch at 2:33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GxQR6ssap4

That guy is incredibly unfunny, probably the worst part of Comedy central at this moment, and I don't think the video says anything particularly captivating or pronounced



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Watch at 2:33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GxQR6ssap4

That guy is incredibly unfunny, probably the worst part of Comedy central at this moment, and I don't think the video says anything particularly captivating or pronounced

 

I find that hard to believe, especially when the video shows proof of Trump contradicting himself over what he did last weekend.



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Hiku said:
Slimebeast said:

I don't see anything wrong with that image. I can't determine who started to fight.

That you see nothing wrong with white supremacists/kkk/nazis surrounding school kids with torches is disturbing.
And I wonder who started it. The ones holding the torches, or the school kids standing by the statue.


And I haven't heard that they shouted anything illegal. They had a permit to hold that protest in front of that statue of some Civil War era political figure.

I didn't say they shouted anything illegal.

You said:"But there's no excuse for driving a car into what witnesses described as a group of peaceful protesters." I agree, there aren't and I didn't excuse this subhuman's behaviour in any way.

When you mention the murder and murder attempts in the same context as the the other fights the way you did, it undermines the severity of the murder, as it sound like both sides were equaly deplorable on that particular day, so its a wash.
It's fine to condemn the other violence as well, just distinguish it from the murder because that's on a different level. This is what Trump didn't do until 3 days later, which made decent people upset (both left and right), and white supremacists/kkk/nazis happy. (See image below)

You claim that Richard Spencer "says Sieg Heil". I have never heard him do that. Aren't you just making it up now? Source please.

He said "Hail victory" which literally means "Seig Heil" in German.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk&feature=youtu.be

Right at the start of the clip.

No, I do not know what sort of songs Jimmie sang in 2009. If it was by Ultima Thule then I don't have a problem with it.

I didn't see Ultima Thule on the list. And from what I understand Ultima Thule stopped conveying white supremacist messages in their songs many years ago.
It wasn't just Jimmie but also the chairman of the Youth SVD as well. It was a number of songs from different bands. Some were tame. A few others were not. Such as a Nazi fight song.

I don't care who founded Sverigedemokraterna because they've been radically reformed since the beginning. I've supported them in elections since 2002.

When we're talking about a party that supported racial genocide, you probably should care about why they didn't start a new party, rather than keeping the same one. And there's only one reason for that. Because they also want support from racists, nazis, etc, on top of support from people who are not racist, or those who are not aware of the origin of the party.

I never said neither Heil Trump or Heil Hitler on these forums, I said "Heil, mein Führer" as a joke.

Fair enough. But that might not be an appropriate joke when you say you sympathise with some people in the alt-right.
Because neo nazis feel empowered and supported by Trump.


Okay, some confusion about parties there, but okay. So we both have a problem with right groups like nazis and the KKK promoting violence and also when some extreme leftists like Antifa promote violence. Very good.

I really hope you do and that you're not just saying that. But iirc, you voiced your support of the masked mobs in Stockholm who beat up homeless illegal immigrants around the train station. I understand that some of them may have "deserved it" as they may have enacted violence towards others in the past, but when mobs attack people at random like that it will inevitably hurt the innocent as well.

About "Hail victory", it's not regarded as the same thing as "Sieg Heil", but a few guys in the crowd reacted to Richard Spencer saying it by making the Roman salute at one infamous meating. To me it wasn't the end of the world. But media made a laughably big deal out of it.

So those five to seven people who "reciprocated with a nazi salute" are not decent human beings. Big deal. I don't judge a whole movement based on a silly act commited by less than ten fringe individuals.

Oh please.
There's no reason you would pick the exact literal translation of "Sieg Heil" unless that's what you're referencing. Especially in the exact same context as it was famously used by the original Nazis. He's hailing victory, and their leader (Trump). Just like the Germans did. In 1940's Germany it would be "Heil Hitler" and "Sieg Heil". That is absolutely not a coincidence.
Any decent human being would make a conscious effort to not use the exact literal translation of the same hails the german Nazis did to their leader.
Richard Spencer knows exactly what he was doing. And so do you.

The people doing nazi salutes are not the only deplorable people in the room. So is he for clearly innciting it, and then not telling any of them to stop.

So much to cover here, and the format is tricky.

About the torch march, I think the torch guys had a permit to have a ceremony at the statue, but once they reach there, there are counter-protestors surrounding the statue. So to me it's more disturbing with the protestors who are blocking a legal demonstration.

You said that I make it sound like "both sides were equally deplorable on that particular day". Yes, that is my picture of the events that happened. Apart from that disgusting car murderer. With him in the picture, the far right side was more deplorable. But I see him as an individual with his own responsibility too, and I don't agree that he was incited by the right wing leaders. But, if we were to see a trand of this happening more often, terror attacks or murders in connection with far right activities, then it's more natural to make the case that it's caused by the rethorics of the far right. But this isn't the case as of now. The far right doesn't commit many murders or terrorist attacks compared with their opponents from the left and in islam.

About Richard Spencer and his "hail victory". I spot the parallell to national socialism in Germany and "Sieg heil", I do. And yet it's not done with the same mindset.

In short, just like modern day socialists can hold a Soviet flag or wear a Che Guevara shirt, it doesn't mean that they stand behind all the atrocities Lenin, Stalin or Che Geuvara made. By the same logic, far right groups don't stand behind the Holocaust and other atrocities Adolf Hitler made.

The problem is that in modern society, everyone is accusing people on the right for any thing that even remotely reminds of the Nazi era, but they're mostly fine when the left does it. This is a huge problem to me. This is why I don't get upset by the right wingers, because they're so ostracized and marginalized by the mainstream, while the extreme leftists are backed up by the establishment. The sick narrative of "good" violence versus "bad" violence, and the logic of "the end justifys the means".

I was happy about the right wingers who attacked migrants in Stockholm, because we on the right need people on the streets too. I just can't get upset about a few hundred far right guys who riot on the streets once every few years, when they're opposed by thousands of socialists, and thousands and thousands of migrant thugs who riot almost daily and who invaded my fatherland, the latter two being groups who both get support from the government, the media and from people like you.

The West is under threat, and white nations are under threat. We are ending up in fucking minority in our own lands!! I simply do not want white culture to disappear. I love my culture because it's the best for our people. If you call that "white cupremacist", then fine, go ahead, but in my eyes you are a huge hypocrite and traitor because you deny white people self-determination while caring for the self-determination of foreigners, and allowing our culture to be destroyed by mass immigration of foreign cultures who will dominate us in the future.