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Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

Everyone has the right to a platform. That's what America was founded on. If you don't like it, I would recommend moving to a country where you have freedom* of speech instead.

 

As far as the government is concerned: if you don't like it, then vote. And I don't mean on the president- we're already two failed elections into this century (Bush lost the popular vote to Gore, too). Vote smaller. Vote in mayoral elections, vote senator elections. House elections. Every election- vote it in, and make your voice heard. Because they certainly aren't checking forums for who you want to vote for, or we'd be in the eighth glorious month of President Sanders.

 

There are supporters for everything. There are even people out there who legitimately find Superman 64 to be a good game. Let that sink in. So again, if you don't like it, make your voice heard and go vote.

Too many people mistakenly think free speech = everyone gets a turn on the microphone with equal time and gets to say their bit and no one can say anything back. That's not what it is. 

Thank you.

Azuren said:
monocle_layton said:

I've never believed in free speech the way these people do.

 

Matter of fact is that certain opinions simply don't deserve a platform. Anti science, pro racism, pro bigotry, and many other things are not acceptable at all. It's bad enough we have a full republican government to let them go nuts. 

 

What's sickening is that many people support this as well. They're nothing more than a plague to society. We'd be better off without them

Everyone has the right to a platform. That's what America was founded on. If you don't like it, I would recommend moving to a country where you have freedom* of speech instead.

 

As far as the government is concerned: if you don't like it, then vote. And I don't mean on the president- we're already two failed elections into this century (Bush lost the popular vote to Gore, too). Vote smaller. Vote in mayoral elections, vote senator elections. House elections. Every election- vote it in, and make your voice heard. Because they certainly aren't checking forums for who you want to vote for, or we'd be in the eighth glorious month of President Sanders.

 

There are supporters for everything. There are even people out there who legitimately find Superman 64 to be a good game. Let that sink in. So again, if you don't like it, make your voice heard and go vote.

Liking Superman 64 isn't dangerous. 

 

Being a nazi is dangerous. These people ruin the world when they allow their opinions to misinform others. 

 

Free speech means we should be allowed to shut down these people. I wouldn't want a pro pedophilia rally for the same reason I wouldn't want a white supremacy rally. There's a complete difference between voicing your opinion and voicing dangerous beliefs.

 

We disagree with each other often, but I still think you have the right to express yourself. Why? Because you aren't going to hurt others with your beliefs anytime soon



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Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

Everyone has the right to a platform. That's what America was founded on. If you don't like it, I would recommend moving to a country where you have freedom* of speech instead.

 

As far as the government is concerned: if you don't like it, then vote. And I don't mean on the president- we're already two failed elections into this century (Bush lost the popular vote to Gore, too). Vote smaller. Vote in mayoral elections, vote senator elections. House elections. Every election- vote it in, and make your voice heard. Because they certainly aren't checking forums for who you want to vote for, or we'd be in the eighth glorious month of President Sanders.

 

There are supporters for everything. There are even people out there who legitimately find Superman 64 to be a good game. Let that sink in. So again, if you don't like it, make your voice heard and go vote.

Too many people mistakenly think free speech = everyone gets a turn on the microphone with equal time and gets to say their bit and no one can say anything back. That's not what it is. 

Until someone tells the person in charge of the microphone not to give them a chance because they're fascists. Then that's not really abiding by freedom of speech, that's just  social fascism.



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

Too many people mistakenly think free speech = everyone gets a turn on the microphone with equal time and gets to say their bit and no one can say anything back. That's not what it is. 

Until someone tells the person in charge of the microphone not to give them a chance because they're fascists. Then that's not really abiding by freedom of speech, that's just  social fascism.

They can have their microphone. And I have the right to boo them off it and call them fascists and counter protest and meet them in force and show them that they are a sad little minority that's only good at one thing -- losing. They have been losing since the 1950s and will continue to pile up the Ls. That too is my right to free speech. 



Azuren said:
Awful people exist, and have for quite some time. They exist in White Nationalists, BLM, KKK, Black Panthers, Hollywood...

That all said, I'll reserve judgement on what happened here until after there's a real report on who the driver is. If he's a card carrying member of the White Nationalists, then yeah: terrorism. There's also a chance he got really fucking distracted coming back from work or something.

But I guess it doesn't matter, now. He could have been attending the protest and was late, but now he's a racist terrorist because everyone jumped to conclusions. I'd say it's a 95% chance he's a racist monster, but now there's a 5% chance we added onto his already nightmarish day.

He must have been really, really distracted. Or very imparied.



monocle_layton said:
Soundwave said:

Too many people mistakenly think free speech = everyone gets a turn on the microphone with equal time and gets to say their bit and no one can say anything back. That's not what it is. 

Thank you.

Azuren said:

Everyone has the right to a platform. That's what America was founded on. If you don't like it, I would recommend moving to a country where you have freedom* of speech instead.

 

As far as the government is concerned: if you don't like it, then vote. And I don't mean on the president- we're already two failed elections into this century (Bush lost the popular vote to Gore, too). Vote smaller. Vote in mayoral elections, vote senator elections. House elections. Every election- vote it in, and make your voice heard. Because they certainly aren't checking forums for who you want to vote for, or we'd be in the eighth glorious month of President Sanders.

 

There are supporters for everything. There are even people out there who legitimately find Superman 64 to be a good game. Let that sink in. So again, if you don't like it, make your voice heard and go vote.

Liking Superman 64 isn't dangerous. 

 

Being a nazi is dangerous. These people ruin the world when they allow their opinions to misinform others. 

 

Free speech means we should be allowed to shut down these people. I wouldn't want a pro pedophilia rally for the same reason I wouldn't want a white supremacy rally. There's a complete difference between voicing your opinion and voicing dangerous beliefs.

 

We disagree with each other often, but I still think you have the right to express yourself. Why? Because you aren't going to hurt others with your beliefs anytime soon

"Being" a Nazi isn't dangerous. It's hurtful to others' emotions, yes, but emotions aren't protected by law. Running over people with a car is dangerous, which is why this man will go to jail regardless of pretense. Things that are actually dangerous get punished, while things that hurt feelings are not.

 

This is because, just like they have the right to vote, you have the right to ignore.

 

And as a father, I would LOVE a pro-pedophilia rally: anything to get a bunch of them in one place, you know what I'm saying? #FishInABarrel

 

I think our disagreement here stems from the fact that I believe freedom of speech means no one has the right to silence you. Even if you ideas are monstrous, no one can stop you from sharing them short of breaking the law themselves.



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VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:
Awful people exist, and have for quite some time. They exist in White Nationalists, BLM, KKK, Black Panthers, Hollywood...

That all said, I'll reserve judgement on what happened here until after there's a real report on who the driver is. If he's a card carrying member of the White Nationalists, then yeah: terrorism. There's also a chance he got really fucking distracted coming back from work or something.

But I guess it doesn't matter, now. He could have been attending the protest and was late, but now he's a racist terrorist because everyone jumped to conclusions. I'd say it's a 95% chance he's a racist monster, but now there's a 5% chance we added onto his already nightmarish day.

He must have been really, really distracted. Or very imparied.

I was actually just thinking that, being a southern city, there's a good chance he'd been day-drinking.



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Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

Until someone tells the person in charge of the microphone not to give them a chance because they're fascists. Then that's not really abiding by freedom of speech, that's just  social fascism.

They can have their microphone. And I have the right to boo them off it and call them fascists and counter protest and meet them in force and show them that they are a sad little minority that's only good at one thing -- losing. They have been losing since the 1950s and will continue to pile up the Ls. That too is my right to free speech. 

Which is why Trump is president, right? I mean, if you want to make statements against the hard right, I'm all for it. But let's not put our feet in our mouths.

 

ADDED: Also, what about the aforementioned scenerio where someone have mic rights denied? You know, like a lot of the stuff surrounding the release of The Red Pill.



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Azuren said:
monocle_layton said:

Thank you.

Liking Superman 64 isn't dangerous. 

 

Being a nazi is dangerous. These people ruin the world when they allow their opinions to misinform others. 

 

Free speech means we should be allowed to shut down these people. I wouldn't want a pro pedophilia rally for the same reason I wouldn't want a white supremacy rally. There's a complete difference between voicing your opinion and voicing dangerous beliefs.

 

We disagree with each other often, but I still think you have the right to express yourself. Why? Because you aren't going to hurt others with your beliefs anytime soon

"Being" a Nazi isn't dangerous. It's hurtful to others' emotions, yes, but emotions aren't protected by law. Running over people with a car is dangerous, which is why this man will go to jail regardless of pretense. Things that are actually dangerous get punished, while things that hurt feelings are not.

 

This is because, just like they have the right to vote, you have the right to ignore.

 

And as a father, I would LOVE a pro-pedophilia rally: anything to get a bunch of them in one place, you know what I'm saying? #FishInABarrel

 

I think our disagreement here stems from the fact that I believe freedom of speech means no one has the right to silence you. Even if you ideas are monstrous, no one can stop you from sharing them short of breaking the law themselves.

You have more than the right to vote, you have the right to PROTEST. 

Also I'd extend an open invitation to these white supremasists. Come march in New York City. Come march in the Bronx. Lets see how that goes for pant wetters. 

Again you are coflating two different things, no one has the right to challenge your ideas? You bet your ass they do. 



Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

"Being" a Nazi isn't dangerous. It's hurtful to others' emotions, yes, but emotions aren't protected by law. Running over people with a car is dangerous, which is why this man will go to jail regardless of pretense. Things that are actually dangerous get punished, while things that hurt feelings are not.

 

This is because, just like they have the right to vote, you have the right to ignore.

 

And as a father, I would LOVE a pro-pedophilia rally: anything to get a bunch of them in one place, you know what I'm saying? #FishInABarrel

 

I think our disagreement here stems from the fact that I believe freedom of speech means no one has the right to silence you. Even if you ideas are monstrous, no one can stop you from sharing them short of breaking the law themselves.

You have more than the right to vote, you have the right to PROTEST. 

Also I'd extend an open invitation to these white supremasists. Come march in New York City. Come march in the Bronx. Lets see how that goes for pant wetters. 

Again you are coflating two different things, no one has the right to challenge your ideas? You bet your ass they do. 

And you're making this less and less about freedom of speech and more about your distaste for white nationalists, so feel free to go argue in an echo chamber. It probably suits your brand of debate better if people agree all day. Toodles.



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Azuren said:
VGPolyglot said:

He must have been really, really distracted. Or very imparied.

I was actually just thinking that, being a southern city, there's a good chance he'd been day-drinking.

Yeah, that's a possibility. But possible and probable are two different things.