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Awful people exist, and have for quite some time. They exist in White Nationalists, BLM, KKK, Black Panthers, Hollywood...

That all said, I'll reserve judgement on what happened here until after there's a real report on who the driver is. If he's a card carrying member of the White Nationalists, then yeah: terrorism. There's also a chance he got really fucking distracted coming back from work or something.

But I guess it doesn't matter, now. He could have been attending the protest and was late, but now he's a racist terrorist because everyone jumped to conclusions. I'd say it's a 95% chance he's a racist monster, but now there's a 5% chance we added onto his already nightmarish day.



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Puppyroach said:
Edellus said:
This is the kind of climate that is created when people decide to play identity politics; division and excuses for violence.

It never removes personal responsibilities. A rascist creep is still a racist creep.

Yes.

Soundwave said:
Edellus said:
This is the kind of climate that is created when people decide to play identity politics; division and excuses for violence.

Or it can't just be that white supremasists never went anywhere. Newsflash: they didn't just disapear because the calendar changed. The only difference today from 50 years ago is racists are today badly, badly outnumbered (and most are too dumb to realize that). 

It never is "just only that" and who said white supremacists ever went anywhere, tho?

There's a difference between having and ideology, talking about it, trying to spread it and trying to enforce it. It is evident when extremism meets extremism and there's not enough centre to mediate, shit hits the fan. It is no longer so much about individual per individual and ideas vs ideas, it's group vs group and ideology vs ideology. It is much easier to excuse violence if you abstract the person to a group/ideology you consider harmful before seeing a human being, and we have identity politcs to give thanks for that.



Edellus said:
Puppyroach said:

It never removes personal responsibilities. A rascist creep is still a racist creep.

Yes.

Soundwave said:

Or it can't just be that white supremasists never went anywhere. Newsflash: they didn't just disapear because the calendar changed. The only difference today from 50 years ago is racists are today badly, badly outnumbered (and most are too dumb to realize that). 

It never is "just only that" and who said white supremacists ever went anywhere, tho?

There's a difference between having and ideology, talking about it, trying to spread it and trying to enforce it. It is evident when extremism meets extremism and there's not enough centre to mediate, shit hits the fan. It is no longer so much about individual per individual and ideas vs ideas, it's group vs group and ideology vs ideology. It is much easier to excuse violence if you abstract the person to a group/ideology you consider harmful before seeing a human being, and we have identity politcs to give thanks for that.

White supremacists/neo-nazis/KKK aren't "an extremist idelogy" in my book. They are evil. Plain and simple. This is not a game of moral equivalency with a having a kumbiya moment with a "exchange of ideas in the center". 



Azuren said:
Awful people exist, and have for quite some time. They exist in White Nationalists, BLM, KKK, Black Panthers, Hollywood...

That all said, I'll reserve judgement on what happened here until after there's a real report on who the driver is. If he's a card carrying member of the White Nationalists, then yeah: terrorism. There's also a chance he got really fucking distracted coming back from work or something.

But I guess it doesn't matter, now. He could have been attending the protest and was late, but now he's a racist terrorist because everyone jumped to conclusions. I'd say it's a 95% chance he's a racist monster, but now there's a 5% chance we added onto his already nightmarish day.

Well after he hit the people he backed over them then drove all way back up the street in reverse.  It was definitely intentional. He was also arrested already, but no details have been released yet. 



monocle_layton said:

I've never believed in free speech the way these people do.

 

Matter of fact is that certain opinions simply don't deserve a platform. Anti science, pro racism, pro bigotry, and many other things are not acceptable at all. It's bad enough we have a full republican government to let them go nuts. 

 

What's sickening is that many people support this as well. They're nothing more than a plague to society. We'd be better off without them

Everyone has the right to a platform. That's what America was founded on. If you don't like it, I would recommend moving to a country where you have freedom* of speech instead.

 

As far as the government is concerned: if you don't like it, then vote. And I don't mean on the president- we're already two failed elections into this century (Bush lost the popular vote to Gore, too). Vote smaller. Vote in mayoral elections, vote senator elections. House elections. Every election- vote it in, and make your voice heard. Because they certainly aren't checking forums for who you want to vote for, or we'd be in the eighth glorious month of President Sanders.

 

There are supporters for everything. There are even people out there who legitimately find Superman 64 to be a good game. Let that sink in. So again, if you don't like it, make your voice heard and go vote.



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So he is a white supremacist based on nothing? Okay



Preston Scott

FIT_Gamer said:
Azuren said:
Awful people exist, and have for quite some time. They exist in White Nationalists, BLM, KKK, Black Panthers, Hollywood...

That all said, I'll reserve judgement on what happened here until after there's a real report on who the driver is. If he's a card carrying member of the White Nationalists, then yeah: terrorism. There's also a chance he got really fucking distracted coming back from work or something.

But I guess it doesn't matter, now. He could have been attending the protest and was late, but now he's a racist terrorist because everyone jumped to conclusions. I'd say it's a 95% chance he's a racist monster, but now there's a 5% chance we added onto his already nightmarish day.

Well after he hit the people he backed over them then drove all way back up the street in reverse.  It was definitely intentional. He was also arrested already, but no details have been released yet. 

I'm aware of the details, and hindsight is 20/20. People do awful shit in the moment because they don't know what to do and are panicking. I'm aware they've already apprehended him, which is why I know they've yet to release details on motive. And like I said, he's most likely the monster he's been painted as. But what kind of monsters are we to paint anyone prematurely?



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Azuren said:
monocle_layton said:

I've never believed in free speech the way these people do.

 

Matter of fact is that certain opinions simply don't deserve a platform. Anti science, pro racism, pro bigotry, and many other things are not acceptable at all. It's bad enough we have a full republican government to let them go nuts. 

 

What's sickening is that many people support this as well. They're nothing more than a plague to society. We'd be better off without them

Everyone has the right to a platform. That's what America was founded on. If you don't like it, I would recommend moving to a country where you have freedom* of speech instead.

 

As far as the government is concerned: if you don't like it, then vote. And I don't mean on the president- we're already two failed elections into this century (Bush lost the popular vote to Gore, too). Vote smaller. Vote in mayoral elections, vote senator elections. House elections. Every election- vote it in, and make your voice heard. Because they certainly aren't checking forums for who you want to vote for, or we'd be in the eighth glorious month of President Sanders.

 

There are supporters for everything. There are even people out there who legitimately find Superman 64 to be a good game. Let that sink in. So again, if you don't like it, make your voice heard and go vote.

Too many people mistakenly think free speech = everyone gets a turn on the microphone with equal time and gets to say their bit and no one can say anything back. That's not what it is. 



Soundwave said:
Edellus said:

Yes.

It never is "just only that" and who said white supremacists ever went anywhere, tho?

There's a difference between having and ideology, talking about it, trying to spread it and trying to enforce it. It is evident when extremism meets extremism and there's not enough centre to mediate, shit hits the fan. It is no longer so much about individual per individual and ideas vs ideas, it's group vs group and ideology vs ideology. It is much easier to excuse violence if you abstract the person to a group/ideology you consider harmful before seeing a human being, and we have identity politcs to give thanks for that.

White supremacists/neo-nazis/KKK aren't "an extremist idelogy" in my book. They are evil. Plain and simple. This is not a game of moral equivalency with a having a kumbiya moment with a "exchange of ideas in the center". 

That same attitude is what keeps echo chambers, like the ones where supremacists are formed in, flourishing; "they're evil/harmful/savages, period". No effort in trying to have a conversation to see the underlying issue, why it occurs and see how it could be solved. Us vs them, right? Such society.



Edellus said:
Soundwave said:

White supremacists/neo-nazis/KKK aren't "an extremist idelogy" in my book. They are evil. Plain and simple. This is not a game of moral equivalency with a having a kumbiya moment with a "exchange of ideas in the center". 

That same attitude is what keeps echo chambers, like the ones where supremacists are formed in, flourishing; "they're evil/harmful/savages, period". No effort in trying to have a conversation to see the underlying issue, why it occurs and see how it could be solved. Us vs them, right? Such society.

What's there to have a conversation about? There is going to be no "lets meet in the middle" feel good moment here. I know what Nazi/KKK/white supremasist ideology is. It's not a secret. This is not a case "oh what a silly misunderstanding, now lets have Rice Krispy squares". In life sometimes there is conflict, and that's all there is to it.