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Birimbau said:

Google logic: "50% of users of apps these days are women, wouldn't it make sense for 50% of the developers to be women?"



As answers said, according to this logic:

* 100% of the people who get pregnant and menstruate are women so all gynecologist and sanitary napkin factory workers should be women too.
* Women produce 50% of the waste so 50% of waste collectors should be women too.

 

It seems Google want to force women to the tech sector even with the majority of the nerds being men (Google Code Jam finalists tell it).

I wanna who greenlit this lmao 



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LurkerJ said:
Birimbau said:

Google logic: "50% of users of apps these days are women, wouldn't it make sense for 50% of the developers to be women?"



As answers said, according to this logic:

* 100% of the people who get pregnant and menstruate are women so all gynecologist and sanitary napkin factory workers should be women too.
* Women produce 50% of the waste so 50% of waste collectors should be women too.

 

It seems Google want to force women to the tech sector even with the majority of the nerds being men (Google Code Jam finalists tell it).

I wanna who greenlit this lmao 

Someone that is all in for PC and PR... people eat this BS.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

It's a mix from my experience. There are no official barriers I've seen from women getting into any department. At the company I work for the tech department is nearly all guys (~90%) and I don't think any of them would object to being called "nerds". Most women I know don't associate that crowd as something they want to emulate or transform. Those that are nerdy fit in fine, but they are a minority.

Example I use is video games. I've been playing since the NES and it has always been tricky to discuss it with women. Growing up I couldn't discuss Super Metroid or Metal Gear Solid, those were "Tom Boy" habits that drew quizzical looks. Even today when discussing gaming I know women who game via their phones spending hours on something like Candy Crush, but they don't know who Miyamoto is or care to discuss the variations in combat between a Nioh and a Nier. It's fine, but I can't force people to like something they don't or in the same way I do.

That said, women do face an issue in work places men do not in modern society. The balance of work and home and how the company and other look at it. I work at a massive company, and only recently have they acknowledged the need of many new parents for time off. Yet, even though this exists you can see how attitudes resist it. Men, who use to get zero days, now get 15, often decide not to use all or even any of those days because you get 75% pay as opposed to 100%. Women went from 10 days to 45 days, and some take it, but they can be resented by co-workers. Having 2-4 kids in your prime earning years can now mean taking off two months every two years which does affect career trajectory.

This is why I see many women settle into comfortable roles at mid level because the demands are too great to accommodate. Now, there are some women who forego children or power through or even have a spouse alleviate the burden to allow them to go higher up should they choose. The challenge is on both these days with dual incomes as men are expected to be bread winners and women expected to be home makers.

It is right to say we'll likely never have full parity because we are different. I would say society, from government policies to general attitudes definitely play a role in decisions people make and can reinforce roles.



Nymeria said:
It's a mix from my experience. There are no official barriers I've seen from women getting into any department. At the company I work for the tech department is nearly all guys (~90%) and I don't think any of them would object to being called "nerds". Most women I know don't associate that crowd as something they want to emulate or transform. Those that are nerdy fit in fine, but they are a minority.

Example I use is video games. I've been playing since the NES and it has always been tricky to discuss it with women. Growing up I couldn't discuss Super Metroid or Metal Gear Solid, those were "Tom Boy" habits that drew quizzical looks. Even today when discussing gaming I know women who game via their phones spending hours on something like Candy Crush, but they don't know who Miyamoto is or care to discuss the variations in combat between a Nioh and a Nier. It's fine, but I can't force people to like something they don't or in the same way I do.

That said, women do face an issue in work places men do not in modern society. The balance of work and home and how the company and other look at it. I work at a massive company, and only recently have they acknowledged the need of many new parents for time off. Yet, even though this exists you can see how attitudes resist it. Men, who use to get zero days, now get 15, often decide not to use all or even any of those days because you get 75% pay as opposed to 100%. Women went from 10 days to 45 days, and some take it, but they can be resented by co-workers. Having 2-4 kids in your prime earning years can now mean taking off two months every two years which does affect career trajectory.

This is why I see many women settle into comfortable roles at mid level because the demands are too great to accommodate. Now, there are some women who forego children or power through or even have a spouse alleviate the burden to allow them to go higher up should they choose. The challenge is on both these days with dual incomes as men are expected to be bread winners and women expected to be home makers.

It is right to say we'll likely never have full parity because we are different. I would say society, from government policies to general attitudes definitely play a role in decisions people make and can reinforce roles.

Very refreshing post.

And that is one of the points of the memo. How to make the carrer in those positions one that would allow for more women that are also strong mothers to pursue... one of them was offloading the burden of the top position by sharing more power on middle management and individual leaders, thus allowing good female leaders to ascend to top management, be mothers and still manage their schedules without going crazy.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Soundwave said:

First of all, women are not some singular monolithic group, just as men aren't. Some women may like working in one field, others may be fine working somewhere else. 

There aren't many women in many fields yet for reasons I stated above ... traditionally men have dominated most working classes because they were the only working class period. That doesn't work anymore for most households.

Women are just now being integrated into a lot more work enivronments and that will continue to accelerate over the next 20-30 years. There are only so many jobs for "daycare workers" and "salon workers" ... women are going to move into fields that typically would be associated with men. Some guys can have a Ron Burgandy esque hissy fit over that, but I don't think it's changes that from happening.  

And the computer industry is likely one of them. It isn't a physically demanding field like construction work might be. In general manual labor jobs are going the way of the dodo to begin with. Computers themselves have changed as well, no longer is the computer domain of men, women are a driving force in the adoption of computer technology, as such it only makes sense that companies would seek to hire more women as it is a lead demographic for their products/services. 

Here's a study that shows 63% of women prefer their smartphones (a computer) over their partner:

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/10/13/study-women-prefer-their-smartphone-to-their-partner/

The days of the computer being domain of the nerdy guy who sits infront of a giant tower PC are coming to a close but that stigma has existed in the past ("computers are for boys"). Today the definition of what a computer is has shifted. As a computer company I would be looking to hire more women, sure, not on the basis on a quota perhaps, but because a huge portion (perhaps even a majority) of my revenue base is women, if they are a leading consumer group, then sure I want them involved in the design process. 

No, just because women like consuming technology does not mean that they like creating them ... 

Out of all the STEM fields, females have vastly improved their representation under life sciences and mathematics over the past 2 decades. (Just when the educational system introduced a selection bias in favour of females.) Unfortunately, the same could not be said about fields of study pertaining to the computer sciences and engineering where in the majority of the cases either growth stagnated or had a regression! 

It used to be that computer science was the natural path of progression for the female secretary in the past but as time goes on it's more clearer than ever that women don't fancy the idea of intricately working with digital technology ... 

Despite all of our system's attempts so far at closing the gender gap in these fields, our efforts may have very well been futile all along as the gap persists at an early age to as far as before high school even starts! 

How many young women do you know who are personally interested in learning programming and digital circuits ? (I know I was since I had the chance to learn these things at high school so I took it upon myself to see what was offered and wasn't disappointed in getting my hands dirty with C++, printed circuit boards and power supplies which greatly affected my perception in the field of study that I wanted but coincidentally in those high school classes it was a sausage fest just like my classes in university.) 

In short genders do have different interests as argued in the memo but that shouldn't be conflated to their consumption behaviour where it's pretty evident that men are more likely to prefer to be the inventors rather than women who just prefer to be consumers of these products ... 



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I think that guy was/is completely crazy and high on drugs when he wrote his memo.Google do the right thing firing him if the memo was the issue, the rest is just chit chat,or in other words doesn' matter. Doesn't benefit at all a person with notorious mental issues in a important company.



Suky said:

I think that guy was/is completely crazy and high on drugs when he wrote his memo.Google do the right thing firing him if the memo was the issue, the rest is just chit chat,or in other words doesn' matter. Doesn't benefit at all a person with notorious mental issues in a important company.

Do you live in the same reality as the rest of us? His points were backed by studies.



Suky said:

I think that guy was/is completely crazy and high on drugs when he wrote his memo.Google do the right thing firing him if the memo was the issue, the rest is just chit chat,or in other words doesn' matter. Doesn't benefit at all a person with notorious mental issues in a important company.

Do you mind to point where in the memo are indicatives of drug abuse?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

I think the people denying the facts that back the memo are similar to the flatearthers - they're just denying science. As the writer himself says, diversity of ideologies is better than diversity of skin colour or gender.



Lawlight said:
I think the people denying the facts that back the memo are similar to the flatearthers - they're just denying science. As the writer himself says, diversity of ideologies is better than diversity of skin colour or gender.

In PC earth the only science that is real is the one that validates your own agenda.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."