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Forums - Sales Discussion - July 2017 NPD Thread! Switch #1

Wyrdness said:
No X1 numbers?

Sub 100K supposedly. 



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When was the last time the XBO sold less than 100k? I think it was the month before the kinect got unbundled but I might be wrong.



It should be against the law for NPD to keep these numbers private. Anyway appreciate the insight ZhugeEX.



Hmmm... Why doesn't Microsoft want to share numbers anymore?



Dyllyo said:
Hmmm... Why doesn't Microsoft want to share numbers anymore?

Take a wild guess lol 



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FIT_Gamer said:
Wyrdness said:
No X1 numbers?

Sub 100K supposedly. 

Woah, what? Source?



Bet with Adamblaziken:

I bet that on launch the Nintendo Switch will have no built in in-game voice chat. He bets that it will. The winner gets six months of avatar control over the other user.

Shadow1980 said:
librarian13579 said:

NSW: 222K

PS4: 217K (+34.7%)

3DS: 105K (-44.3%)

As someone who has invested a lot of time into curating sales numbers, I just wanted to say that I appreciate your efforts.

I wanted to talk to you about a possible alternative to just posting the numbers. Check your PMs.

I'm not sure if he's ever coming back after what has transpired.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Darc Requiem said:
Not sure why anyone is surprised that a guy that was enough of a dick to get permabanned would continue to be a dick.

But but he left voluntarily.

He voluntarily permbanned himself? If that's the case I stand corrected. I don't recall having a favorable impression of him.



Holy shit, talk about a close win.



0331 Happiness is a belt-fed weapon

Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

Hiku. Tell me how much mitigation happened on it releasing to NeoGaf in less than a day later. That just shows you what was done wasn't mitigation at all.

Praying for a disaster not to hapening isn't mitigating to the upmost as librarian herself said she was doing. Mitigation should at least bring you to the "unlikely to occur and/or no severe damage if occuring" not bringing it to "catastrophic failure of large probability".

So I ask you, do you really understand the concept of mitigation or just heard the word and it's meaning in a dictionary?

No one said that "what was done" (Librarian posting here) alone was enough to mitigate the risk. It requirred the assistance of the Gaf members who Librarian expected would read it as well.
But one of the Gaf members chose not to comply, and none of the mods decided to remove the numbers. That's why there was no risk mitigation. It was not in Librarian's hands alone, but the community.

As for "Mitigation should at least bring you to the *insert criteria*", the goal is not for you to decide. If Librarian is ok with even just a 1% less chance of getting caught this month, that's up to him.
If I lower the likelihood of the boss' Death spell from 95% to 90%, I'm still extremely likely to die. But I've still mitigated the risk by 5%.
Whatever the actual number would have been, no one can quantify. But it is Librarian's assesment, as well as Aqua's (and she apparently knows NPD people personally) that NPD are much less concerned with VGC than they are with GAF. And the fact that they have no public accounts here is clear indication of that.

As for "praying for distaster not to happen", again, that is not the only goal of lowering the risk. It can also be to delay the inevitable. Getting numbers for 4 months is better than 3 months. Etc.

Your previous response in regards to risk mitigation was that NPD can still find out that the numbers were posted here. That's not a counter argument though, as Librarian and myself already made it clear to you multiple times that we are well aware of that, but that the goal was to just lower the risks of this happening. Not elliminate it.

Librarian/Me: We know that NPD can still find out that numbers are posted here, but we just want to lower the chance of it happening.
You: errrr you know that if Gaf members can find the numbers here, NPD can also find out, right? So your claim is still baseless.



That's not a counter argument. That's just repeating what we said, as if we claimed otherwise.
And because we explained it multiple times to you, it was certainly justified to ask if you understand the concept of mitigation, as it doesn't seem like you did based on your attempt of a retort.
And now you're saying that risk mitigation "should reach a specific criteria", but the one who decides how much they're content with mitigating is the risk taker himself. Don't move the goalpost.

I'll repeat to you as many times as needed. If something didn't mitigate a risk that isn't risk mitigation. And your explanation clearly show you have no idea what risk mitigation really is. Risk mitigation isn't unidimensional. But if you preffer to pretend he really done any risk mitigation by posting here and asking for people not to leak, with everybody knowing it would leak them ok.

But explain to me how do you think NDA contracts with risk of termination doesn't stop leaks from happening in matter of hours but someone asking not to leak would stop it?

RolStoppable said:
Darc Requiem said:

He voluntarily permbanned himself? If that's the case I stand corrected. I don't recall having a favorable impression of him.

That was a sarcastic post.

There's a story to ethomaz's permaban. The gist of it is that he misunderstood preferential treatment by the mod team (they granted him more chances because he was a longtime member, but made it clear to him that he wasn't allowed to comment on Xbox anymore, for his own sake) as censorship, so he made one final thread to complain about the mod team and that he wouldn't give in to such demands.

The post being from whom it was regarding ethomaz should be obvious enough it was sarcastic, even more with 2 buts in it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."