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Carl2291 said:
RolStoppable said:

Here's a graph to illustrate what Kerotan is talking about:


Okay this is funny.

Except for the fact it only covers the first year launch aligned which I was never referring to. Might be funny otherwise. 

Mnementh said:
Kerotan said:

There are many kids nowadays who were not around when it launched or weren't old enough for a handheld when it launched. Then obviously there's those that rebuy because their older model breaks or because they want a newer sku Nintendo releases. 

Really? Kids are the only explanation for 3DS-sales?

Where did i say only? I was giving examples of how the console would still be selling after so long. What's with people reading things out of context around here lately? 

Acevil said:
Carl2291 said:


Okay this is funny.

Once in awhile, something comes along and gets me to post in these threads again. That was indeed awesome on Rol's end. Oh well, back to ignoring these threads besides Kresnik and very select few post. 

Again it might be funny if I ever referred to the first year launched aligned. See you next time you decide to post :)



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Kerotan said:
Carl2291 said:


Okay this is funny.

Except for the fact it only covers the first year launch aligned which I was never referring to. Might be funny otherwise. 

Doesn't really matter how far you try move the goalposts, guy made your silly little argument look foolish and many people noticed it.

Take it on the chin and carry on.



                            

Kerotan said:
Mnementh said:

Really? Kids are the only explanation for 3DS-sales?

Where did i say only? I was giving examples of how the console would still be selling after so long. What's with people reading things out of context around here lately?

According to statistics bureau of Japan, there are 21 million japanese aged 0-20. If I divide that through 20, I get barely above a million kids which should reach the age to get a 3DS each year (regardless which age this is). Last year 3DS sold 2 million, this year already has nearly a million. So, even if the assume that EVERY SINGLE KID in Japan gets a 3DS, this amounts to only half the sales. And this assumption is highly doubtful, more likely every third to fifth kid gets a 3DS, meaning that the big majority of sales has to be explained differently.

http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/jinsui/tsuki/index.htm



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Carl2291 said:
Kerotan said:

Except for the fact it only covers the first year launch aligned which I was never referring to. Might be funny otherwise. 

Doesn't really matter how far you try move the goalposts, guy made your silly little argument look foolish and many people noticed it.

Take it on the chin and carry on.

I never moved the goalposts, he did. I initially referred to when PS4 was beating it launch aligned and people were acting like aligned didn't matter then. He moved the goals by posting a graph of just year 1 which i was never referring too. There's not much to take on the chin when people take your post out of context and ignore the point. Glad you all got a laugh though. 

Mnementh said:
Kerotan said:

Where did i say only? I was giving examples of how the console would still be selling after so long. What's with people reading things out of context around here lately?

According to statistics bureau of Japan, there are 21 million japanese aged 0-20. If I divide that through 20, I get barely above a million kids which should reach the age to get a 3DS each year (regardless which age this is). Last year 3DS sold 2 million, this year already has nearly a million. So, even if the assume that EVERY SINGLE KID in Japan gets a 3DS, this amounts to only half the sales. And this assumption is highly doubtful, more likely every third to fifth kid gets a 3DS, meaning that the big majority of sales has to be explained differently.

http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/jinsui/tsuki/index.htm

LOL did you not just listen to what i said? He asked how could 3ds possibly be still selling. I gave him expamples of how it could still sell. I never said that's where all it's sales or even most of its sales come from. You are trying to assume i meant that so just stop because you're wasting your time taking my post for something it was never meant to be. 

Now that i've told you for the second time what it meant, hopefully you now agree that i'm right and that sales do come from the reason i highlighted, which is kids now old enough to get a console that weren't years ago can get one. Another reason is people's older 3ds's breaking and buying a replacement which is cheap to do nowadays. Another reason is people just wanting to upgrade an old model to a newer one. That's 3 possibilities i provided him with. If you can think of others feel free to reply to him and contribute but don't bother trying to discredit my post because it only contains facts. 

And now that i've thought about it again, i can add two another reasons. The entry price to the console is much cheaper meaning it could be affordable or just seen as value for money for consumers that seen it as too pricey in the past. Secondly thwe library is now much bigger then years gone by. So consumers might want to buy it for multiple games wheras in the past there might not have been enough titles on the platform to get them to make the purchase. Again loads of reasons and i just prov9ided him with a few. As i said stop trying to discredit my answer when it only contains facts. 



Dr.Vita said:
Amazing second week for Dragon Quest 11 and PS4 hardware is selling amazingly!!! Could Dragon Quest 11 become the best selling game of the 8th generation in Japan?

I think Crash Bandicoot did alright (at least compared to the COMG pre-orders). Yes I expected it to do better first week but it's a cheap game so there is a chance that it might be a leggy game similar to Minecraft on PS Vita (of course I'm not expecting it to do 1.1M+ but 150k+ or 200k+ would be very nice imo).

Crash got splatted ;)



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zippy said:
Dr.Vita said:
Amazing second week for Dragon Quest 11 and PS4 hardware is selling amazingly!!! Could Dragon Quest 11 become the best selling game of the 8th generation in Japan?

I think Crash Bandicoot did alright (at least compared to the COMG pre-orders). Yes I expected it to do better first week but it's a cheap game so there is a chance that it might be a leggy game similar to Minecraft on PS Vita (of course I'm not expecting it to do 1.1M+ but 150k+ or 200k+ would be very nice imo).

Crash got splatted ;)

Oh no you didn't!! I wonder will there be meltdowns over this. Doubt it. 



Mnementh said:
Farsala said:
Funny that Japan sales thread is basically the most toxic sales thread, even though its such a small market nowadays compared to the rest of the world.

Compares with UK. Compares with Germany. Compares with France...

The US is the only market bigger than the japanese market, so I would say it is indeed pretty important.

It is a shrinking market compared to all of those markets.

Of course it is still 2nd and important, but thats not the point of my post. UK threads can get this toxic, but rarely. France and Germany threads never do. US is the most important market and the NPD threads are monthly but doesn't have 4 times as much pettiness as these threads.



Farsala said:
Mnementh said:

Compares with UK. Compares with Germany. Compares with France...

The US is the only market bigger than the japanese market, so I would say it is indeed pretty important.

It is a shrinking market compared to all of those markets.

Of course it is still 2nd and important, but thats not the point of my post. UK threads can get this toxic, but rarely. France and Germany threads never do. US is the most important market and the NPD threads are monthly but doesn't have 4 times as much pettiness as these threads.

Isn't the EU usually seen as one market though. Sure they are a number of individual countries. But in general their economy and taste in gaming is pretty much the same. Same goes for USA and Canada a.k.a. the North American market. Which is still (by far) the biggest than EU and after that Japan. Asia is to much divided in both taste and market to fuse in one market. But as individual country it's still very relevant, but compared to EU it's rather small. That's why there are games targeted at the EU market and the Japanese market, but in general games targeted at EU and in lesser or more ways targeted at the NA market such as Horizon sell more WW. So Splatoon winning in Japan doesn't necessarily mean that it will win globally. But Crash outselling Splatoon in UK with bigger launch sales than Horizon does indicate it most likely will do better WW. 



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Mnementh said:
Kerotan said:

There are many kids nowadays who were not around when it launched or weren't old enough for a handheld when it launched. Then obviously there's those that rebuy because their older model breaks or because they want a newer sku Nintendo releases. 

Really? Kids are the only explanation for 3DS-sales?

I mean, it's one of the largest demographics for Nintendo. Who do you think is buying Yokai Watch and Pokemon? I don't see how saying a younger audience is a primary driver of sales well into a platform's life.

I think the newer models doing most of the work (although it definitely appeals to that group to get an upgrade for them).



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Qwark said:
Farsala said:

It is a shrinking market compared to all of those markets.

Of course it is still 2nd and important, but thats not the point of my post. UK threads can get this toxic, but rarely. France and Germany threads never do. US is the most important market and the NPD threads are monthly but doesn't have 4 times as much pettiness as these threads.

Isn't the EU usually seen as one market though. Sure they are a number of individual countries. But in general their economy and taste in gaming is pretty much the same. Same goes for USA and Canada a.k.a. the North American market. Which is still (by far) the biggest than EU and after that Japan. Asia is to much divided in both taste and market to fuse in one market. But as individual country it's still very relevant, but compared to EU it's rather small. That's why there are games targeted at the EU market and the Japanese market, but in general games targeted at EU and in lesser or more ways targeted at the NA market such as Horizon sell more WW. So Splatoon winning in Japan doesn't necessarily mean that it will win globally. But Crash outselling Splatoon in UK with bigger launch sales than Horizon does indicate it most likely will do better WW. 

Just compare Xbox ONE sales of UK with the rest of Europe. UK alone makes about 50% of it's sales there, if not more. The reverse is also true with the Switch: Compare the sales in UK with those in France, for instance. There's a huge gap in sales both for software and hardware. The Vita didn't sell well in most european countries, but did relatively well in Spain.

So no, every country has it's quirks in Europe. The only really uniting gaming quirks are that Sony home console usually do very well here and that PC (or computer I should say, since this actually predates the PC with computers like the ZX Spectrum or the C64) gaming always was pretty big here.