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Should athletes in any sport be permanently banned for doping?

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The Fury said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
There's no doubt that taking Performance enhancing drugs has a permanent effect on the body. Clean Gatlin after Steroids vs Clean Gatlin before steroids. After steroids will always be better.

In the case of his ADHD medication for the first years of his life, probably. This is one of the arguments for perminant bans because of long term effects. Sure the substance may have left your body but to get to your level, it's already effected you body in a way to give you an advantage beyond the ban time. The testosterone one was always suspect, specually due to his coach at the time.

Yes exactly, it's quite a difficult thing to consider a permenant ban but it is definitely something to talk about.

One of the best examples of steroids having a permanent effect is Cyborg. 



You can look at her and know the steroids and testosterone she was caught for have had a permanent effect on her body. Her voice is also deep af. 

She's allowed to fight because she is clean now but obviously she retains her advantage. 



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The Fury said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
There's no doubt that taking Performance enhancing drugs has a permanent effect on the body. Clean Gatlin after Steroids vs Clean Gatlin before steroids. After steroids will always be better.

In the case of his ADHD medication for the first years of his life, probably. This is one of the arguments for perminant bans because of long term effects. Sure the substance may have left your body but to get to your level, it's already effected you body in a way to give you an advantage beyond the ban time. The testosterone one was always suspect, specually due to his coach at the time.

I think that's a poor argument. The effects of ADHD medication (presumably adderall or ritalin) do not persist after they have run their course. What goes up, must come down, and that is the case with most CNS stimulants/depressants. 



Either allow them to dope at their own risk or start banning them for lengthy periods/forfeiting of awards for testing positive for any performance enhancing drugs that are banned or soon to be banned.



Cobretti2 said:
honestly it be easier to just let them all dope then waste money on drug testing and trying to fight new methods of doping each year.

The result would be that everyone that even remotely tried to be good at any kind of sport would do doping, including people that's not playing sports at a professonal level, but also people playing for example soccer or football far down in the leagues. It would create tremendous healthcare issues all over the world, and the cost of all the extra lives lost prematurely and all the extra medical care needed would far outweigh the cost of the drug testing done today.

 

To the topic at hand. With the current system athletes are banned for some months or years if they get performane enhancing drugs into their bodies by accident. So I wouldn't think it would be fair in all cases. If you've been on drugs over a longer period of time and they quite clearly has had an effect on your body then yeah, I don't think you should be welcome back. 



ArchangelMadzz said:
There's no doubt that taking Performance enhancing drugs has a permanent effect on the body. Clean Gatlin after Steroids vs Clean Gatlin before steroids. After steroids will always be better.

As far as I know, this is more true now than it was in the past, and depends to some degree on the type of steroid(s) being used. It''s somewhat coicidental that you linked a JREP vid in your prior comment, because that's where I initially learned about the lomg term/permanent benefits of steroid use. I always had it in my head that once a steroid user quit, they were going to lose all their gains. Thtat's why I'm for harsher penalties, especially in combat sports.



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Yep



COKTOE said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
There's no doubt that taking Performance enhancing drugs has a permanent effect on the body. Clean Gatlin after Steroids vs Clean Gatlin before steroids. After steroids will always be better.

As far as I know, this is more true now than it was in the past, and depends to some degree on the type of steroid(s) being used. It''s somewhat coicidental that you linked a JREP vid in your prior comment, because that's where I initially learned about the lomg term/permanent benefits of steroid use. I always had it in my head that once a steroid user quit, they were going to lose all their gains. Thtat's why I'm for harsher penalties, especially in combat sports.

It's more true now due to the volume of shit people are taking. But yeah I know what you mean, same here, before you'd see it as some super serum/drug in cartoons that once it wears off it's all gone but it's more like SS God form, once it's gone the effects last. 



Then there wouldn't be enough athletes to compete.



Actually doping should be fully accepted and have competitions/categories that fully allow it.
Let anyone do what they want to do with their bodies/health and don't want to be bound to fully explore their options if they are fully in agreement to be responsible for it and let them do it.



Doping should be legal. The end.



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