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Azuren said:
I'll never understand why people will argue politics when neither side will back down or acknowledge their own shortcomings.

Mostly the reason why I never post in political/religious threads.  Though it's nice to see where people's heads are, in the end, "being right" about something they're wrong about has no value whatsoever. 

But I will say, the best thing about Trump is, like the Nintendo Switch, he's just getting started and has at least another 3 years of headlines.



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the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

Hmmm I think there's a fitting saying for what the left is doing in regards to propaganda. 

Do as we say, not as we do. 

The left controls most of the main stream media and it spins their propaganda constantly except when they report the weather or traffic jams.

The biggest reason why the left controls so much of the media is because of how far right the US is.  If you're a conservative in the US, you're basically more conservative than 90% of the world.  If you're a liberal in the US, you're still right wing compared to the rest of the world.  

What? You're confusing shit.  Europe and the left in the states has the same policies and beliefs but they've become so far left that everyone that disagrees with them is considered far right. Bernie and Hillary would have no chance of winning if what you said is true. The left likes to use propaganda to steer people to what they want and to help their minds. That's why most of the news media, hollowood, tech valley is all theirs. 

the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

Some of you really need to look up defintions of words before you start labeling things. 

 

Definition of propaganda

capitalized :  a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions

2 the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

3 ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also :  a public action having such an effect

 

No more creepy than the left controlling most of the media and using to it to spin actual propaganda? What's more creepy, little news sites saying propaganda or big tv networks spinning propaganda? I swear the left has some audacity to bitch about propaganda with as much as they spin. 

Yep, that's the exact definition I was using.  

Many sites like Breitbart draw 10's of millions of readers. Infowars also brings in a few million.

There was a statistic that said about 20% of liberal news was made up, and 40% of conservative news is made up.  


I'm not saying that liberals don't lie, but it's ridiculous of how much overlap there is between people that complain about lying media and people that listen almost exclusively to media that goes out of its way to lie.  

It's pretty wild that you think breitbart is a bigger concern compared to most of the media is pumping out propaganda for the left.



Aeolus451 said:
the-pi-guy said:

The biggest reason why the left controls so much of the media is because of how far right the US is.  If you're a conservative in the US, you're basically more conservative than 90% of the world.  If you're a liberal in the US, you're still right wing compared to the rest of the world.  

What? You're confusing shit.  Europe and the left in the states has the same policies and beliefs but they've become so far left that everyone that disagrees with them is considered far right. Bernie and Hillary would have no chance of winning if what you said is true. The left likes to use propaganda to steer people to what they want and to help their minds. That's why most of the news media, hollowood, tech valley is all theirs. 

the-pi-guy said:

Yep, that's the exact definition I was using.  

Many sites like Breitbart draw 10's of millions of readers. Infowars also brings in a few million.

There was a statistic that said about 20% of liberal news was made up, and 40% of conservative news is made up.  


I'm not saying that liberals don't lie, but it's ridiculous of how much overlap there is between people that complain about lying media and people that listen almost exclusively to media that goes out of its way to lie.  

It's pretty wild that you think breitbart is a bigger concern compared to most of the media is pumping out propaganda for the left.

They really don't.  Listen to UK conservatives and they align much more closely to US Democrats. Bernie is a left leaning moderate in the rest of the world.  In the US, he's ridiculously far to the left.  Democrats have been going further to the left as of late, but they are still moderates in the rest of the world.  "Everyone that disagrees with them is far right." That's not even close to correct. 

 

What kinds of propoganda is the left pumping out?  



deskpro2k3 said:
freedom of speech and press is great and all, but we need to educate people to spot lies and truth better.

The majority of people who see "good news about Trump, brought to you by the Trump team" will view such a thing with cynical skepticism. This is the political version of 'Breaking news: "Cigarettes are good for you" confirms British American Tobacco CEO'. Only the people who are already fully on board the Trump train will believe this is the real objective news.

In a free society this shit ain't fooling anyone with 1/4 of a brain. And in a not free society it only fools people with 1/2 a brain.

The real fool is Kayleigh McEnany. She's basically ruined her career as a serious journalist. But perhaps she's no longer got any ambition to serious journalism and sees her future as a political spin doctor.



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TH3-D0S3R said:
palou said:

Or, you know... you could watch non-american news? 

I do, I mentioned it in my comment. I don't normally go to Fox for my news feed, there's a personality or 2 I Like on the network but I dont go to Fox constantly for my news feed.

And lastly, those thinking Republicans are the enemy and Trump should be dead, you're the ones filled up on propoganda. No reasonable people wish death upon anyone, you come off as insane. I can sense the shortcomings of Republicans and am willing to call them out on their issues, and while I've never been fond of the Democratic Party, not once did I wish that Obama would die, in fact I wished him the best, because the better he does the better I do. If you seriously think Trump is pushing propoganda currently and want him dead, the next minimum 8-16 years will not be fun for you. While I may not agree with his own news network, every other source on TV is fake at this point, and he isn't wishing death upon CNN and MSNBC, he wants them to not lie about the news.

Even though Trump is making his own station for news, he comes off as the adult when people say I want Trump dead.

If we're honest, Trump is most definetely better than Pence...

 

As a whole, my strongest beliefs on american politics currently are on electoral reforms. A system that gives only 2 viable options for the electorat is kust barely democratic, in my eyes. People feel obliged to abide to the group of opinions of one side or the other, and have become unable to view issues seperately (since they voted A, they feel the need to justify every single action that A takes, even if it isn't part of the issues which they chose A for.)

I really think that it's time that we dropped the terms "left" and "right". Issues should be regarded individually, and individuals should have the right to be judged independantly. 



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Flilix said:
barneystinson69 said:

And how exactly is that happening? The president should be able to have his opinion on the media if he so chooses. Some people want to think there is something there when there isn't.

Trump is at step 3, Putin is at step 5 and Erdogan is at 7.

I'm not saying that Trump will necessarily become a dictator, but we need to stay critical and not just believe everything he says. Of course, we need to be critical towards every politician, but I think we should be extra careful with Trump since he has a lot of similarities with beginning dictators.

There is a tiny little difference...

America actually has a constitution in place that would prevent this. You should also know that the legislative branch holds most of the power, and I guarentee they wouldn't give that up to the president. But I guess we should put on our tin foil hats just in case...



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barneystinson69 said:

There is a tiny little difference...

America actually has a constitution in place that would prevent this. You should also know that the legislative branch holds most of the power, and I guarentee they wouldn't give that up to the president. But I guess we should put on our tin foil hats just in case...

Actually it's the state legislatures that holds the most power as specified on the consititution ... (at LEAST 3/4ths of the state legislatures would have to agree to the amendments) 

The beauty of having separated powers ... (even though gridlock is included it's the most safest, stable and arguably desirable way to change) 

I remain that federal governments are not supposed to be progressive but that should be left to local governments ... 



the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

What? You're confusing shit.  Europe and the left in the states has the same policies and beliefs but they've become so far left that everyone that disagrees with them is considered far right. Bernie and Hillary would have no chance of winning if what you said is true. The left likes to use propaganda to steer people to what they want and to help their minds. That's why most of the news media, hollowood, tech valley is all theirs. 

It's pretty wild that you think breitbart is a bigger concern compared to most of the media is pumping out propaganda for the left.

They really don't.  Listen to UK conservatives and they align much more closely to US Democrats. Bernie is a left leaning moderate in the rest of the world.  In the US, he's ridiculously far to the left.  Democrats have been going further to the left as of late, but they are still moderates in the rest of the world.  "Everyone that disagrees with them is far right." That's not even close to correct. 

 

What kinds of propoganda is the left pumping out?  

If you call bernie who describes himself as a socialist, a moderate then yes, alot of europe is far far left.

In the us, it's fairly easy to point out. They like anything progressive and shit on anything the right says or do. They tried to win the election for hillary. In europe, bbc and politicians tries to hide the negative effects of letting in refugees and letting them live in those countries. I would have to dig up stuff for each part of europe but I don't have have all night for all that. If you're really interested then try to be objective and dig up stuff. 



barneystinson69 said:
Flilix said:

Trump is at step 3, Putin is at step 5 and Erdogan is at 7.

I'm not saying that Trump will necessarily become a dictator, but we need to stay critical and not just believe everything he says. Of course, we need to be critical towards every politician, but I think we should be extra careful with Trump since he has a lot of similarities with beginning dictators.

There is a tiny little difference...

America actually has a constitution in place that would prevent this. You should also know that the legislative branch holds most of the power, and I guarentee they wouldn't give that up to the president. But I guess we should put on our tin foil hats just in case...

Turkey had a constitution that would have prevented this too, but Erdogan changed it.