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sc94597 said:
vivster said:
Why not just a death sentence? I doubt we need sociopaths in our society.

Yeah, I am very much opposed to the death penalty because I think it can be abused to harm disadvantaged groups and there is always the chance that somebody is innocent, but it would be hard to argue against killing somebody who does something like this with solid (video or hundreds of witnesses) evidence of their guilt, ideally in a horrific way such as pouring acid on them. 

Nah, why the effort? Prove they're guilty, slam the hammer, bring them into the back room and bullet in the head. Every second or cent we spend on sociopaths is wasted.



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vivster said:
sc94597 said:

Yeah, I am very much opposed to the death penalty because I think it can be abused to harm disadvantaged groups and there is always the chance that somebody is innocent, but it would be hard to argue against killing somebody who does something like this with solid (video or hundreds of witnesses) evidence of their guilt, ideally in a horrific way such as pouring acid on them. 

Nah, why the effort? Prove they're guilty, slam the hammer, bring them into the back room and bullet in the head. Every second or cent we spend on sociopaths is wasted.

Well if we are intending to use the death penalty as a deterrent we might as well go all out and make it as excruciating as possible. A bullet to the head is the easy way out. In the United States death penalty cases tend to be more expensive than life-sentences because of the necessary appeals process. When we put somebody to death we need to put in the extra effort to make sure they are guilty of their crime, because we can't bring people back to life if they are found to be innocent, while we can send somebody with a life sentence free if the same were to happen. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Wait, these people literally through acid that can burn someones skin off onto people? I'm confused

Look at Aeolus' post below.

Aeolus451 said:

Life sentence or death is suitable in my opinion to the people who commit this kind of act because they're attacking someone with acid with the intention to permanently disfigure the victim because they were pretty or some other crazy insignificant reason. It's vile and intolerable behaviour that should be put a stop in any means. The victims often are disabled because they go blind or partially blind or can't do things with their hands. Acid attack wounds also very expensive to treat and they'll have to get repeated surgies to help with it. It's also in alot of ways a fate worse than death. 

Taken from here. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/25/student-suffers-life-changing-burns-acid-attack-21st-birthday/

Even though they survive, chances are they'll be mocked in public and wake up every day knowing they won't ever be as attractive as they once were. They'll view themselves as 'not normal'.

 

If overweight people have confidence issues, then these people probably go through hell. The sick fiends committing these acts and those who tolerate it are all at the bottom of the morality chart. They're a burden to society.

sc94597 said:
vivster said:
Why not just a death sentence? I doubt we need sociopaths in our society.

Yeah, I am very much opposed to the death penalty because I think it can be abused to harm disadvantaged groups and there is always the chance that somebody is innocent, but it would be hard to argue against killing somebody who does something like this with solid (video or hundreds of witnesses) evidence of their guilt, ideally in a horrific way such as pouring acid on them. 

I understand if you don't want to kill convicted rapists because some are actually innocent, but how can you explain this? Acid attackers literally destroy the victim(s)'s lives. Chances are they have a criminal history or are terrible people. 

 

There is no excuse for trying to throw acid at someone. It's easy to prove and the damages are severe.



sc94597 said:
vivster said:

Nah, why the effort? Prove they're guilty, slam the hammer, bring them into the back room and bullet in the head. Every second or cent we spend on sociopaths is wasted.

Well if we are intending to use the death penalty as a deterrent we might as well go all out and make it as excruciating as possible. A bullet to the head is the easy way out. In the United States death penalty cases tend to be more expensive than life-sentences because of the necessary appeals process. When we put somebody to death we need to put in the extra effort to make sure they are guilty of their crime, because we can't bring people back to life if they are found to be innocent, while we can send somebody with a life sentence free if the same were to happen. 

Death penalties or life sentences do not deter anyone, at least not the people they're meant for. Those people are morons and sociopaths, they don't give a shit. They cannot even grasp the consequences. Death sentences are about not wasting time or money.

It's not hard to prove crime beyond doubt. The most horrible crimes the death sentences are for also usually come with a confession because those killers show no remorse. If your killer or attacker shows no remorse it's a very easy bullet to the head. I'm not a big fan of torturing or drawing things out. Every second those people are allowed to live is an insult to the victims.



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monocle_layton said:

Even though they survive, chances are they'll be mocked in public and wake up every day knowing they won't ever be as attractive as they once were. They'll view themselves as 'not normal'.

If overweight people have confidence issues, then these people probably go through hell. The sick fiends committing these acts and those who tolerate it are all at the bottom of the morality chart. They're a burden to society.

I did look earlier but didn't edit my post. To be fair I also read half the article and watched the biket video but I just wanted to make sure. This is fucking disgusting.

 

So does that mean ugly people go through hell?



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monocle_layton said:


sc94597 said:

Yeah, I am very much opposed to the death penalty because I think it can be abused to harm disadvantaged groups and there is always the chance that somebody is innocent, but it would be hard to argue against killing somebody who does something like this with solid (video or hundreds of witnesses) evidence of their guilt, ideally in a horrific way such as pouring acid on them. 

I understand if you don't want to kill convicted rapists because some are actually innocent, but how can you explain this? Acid attackers literally destroy the victim(s)'s lives. Chances are they have a criminal history or are terrible people. 

 

There is no excuse for trying to throw acid at someone. It's easy to prove and the damages are severe.

I did say if there is enough evidence, such as video evidence or an overhwelming number of random witnesses, then I'd support a pretty brutal death. 

vivster said:
sc94597 said:

Well if we are intending to use the death penalty as a deterrent we might as well go all out and make it as excruciating as possible. A bullet to the head is the easy way out. In the United States death penalty cases tend to be more expensive than life-sentences because of the necessary appeals process. When we put somebody to death we need to put in the extra effort to make sure they are guilty of their crime, because we can't bring people back to life if they are found to be innocent, while we can send somebody with a life sentence free if the same were to happen. 

Death penalties or life sentences do not deter anyone, at least not the people they're meant for. Those people are morons and sociopaths, they don't give a shit. They cannot even grasp the consequences. Death sentences are about not wasting time or money.

It's not hard to prove crime beyond doubt. The most horrible crimes the death sentences are for also usually come with a confession because those killers show no remorse. If your killer or attacker shows no remorse it's a very easy bullet to the head. I'm not a big fan of torturing or drawing things out. Every second those people are allowed to live is an insult to the victims.

Sociopaths have a sense of self-preservation. They aren't idiots. In fact most things they do are for self-preservation. They also feel pain. Even sociopaths would be detered by having acid poured on them. Also, confessions can be coerced. There are dozens of instances where it has happened in the United States. 

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/legalclinic/wrongfulconvictions/issues/falseconfessions/



jason1637 said:
Idk a life sentence seems like too much.

idk... if you mug someone because your desperate for money, and somehow it goes wrong and you accidentally shoot someone... that seems "less" vile and evil, than these people that carry around acid to throw into the faces of people.

There needs to be harsh punishment for these sorts of things, its not a practical joke, and liveing a long life in constantly pain (and or blind), with a disfigoured face, because some random creep thinks its fun to throw acid at people... that creep should spend a loooong time in jail.



Azuren said:
jason1637 said:
Idk a life sentence seems like too much.

Seems fine to me. I would have personally set a mandatory death penalty in there for anyone who throws acid at a child younger than 10, though.

age shouldnt be a issue.... haveing to go through life possibly blind, with a disfigured face... sucks for anyone.

This is so vile... lifetime sentencies seems fine to me.

Its akin to tortureing someone, and cutting parts of their bodies off.



jason1637 said:
Idk a life sentence seems like too much.

Have you seen what strong acid in the face does, thrust me a lifetime in prision is nothing compared to the suffering of the victim of that crime



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
monocle_layton said:

Even though they survive, chances are they'll be mocked in public and wake up every day knowing they won't ever be as attractive as they once were. They'll view themselves as 'not normal'.

If overweight people have confidence issues, then these people probably go through hell. The sick fiends committing these acts and those who tolerate it are all at the bottom of the morality chart. They're a burden to society.

I did look earlier but didn't edit my post. To be fair I also read half the article and watched the biket video but I just wanted to make sure. This is fucking disgusting.

 

So does that mean ugly people go through hell?

No, and I'll explain why.

 

I'm not an attractive man, and it's something that'll probably stay (or improve a bit when as my beard grows). The difference however is that I don't care. I have two ears, two eyes, a mouth, a nose, and hair on my head. I can live with people calling me ugly as it's simply a result of a bunch of random choices. It means little to me. I'm healthy, dress properly, and generally look fine. 

 

On the other hand, these people's 'ugly' features are from an attack they'll never forget. As long as they look in the mirror, they'll have to remember that an asshole threw acid at them. When they get looks and chuckles in public, they'll have to remember the acid attack. It's extremely damaging to these people to still deal with the pain even after the physical portion of it is completed.

 

At the end of the day, I can look at a mirror and shrug it off. They can't shrug off an acid attack.