Why do so many of you guys believe this post is real?
It seems only 2-3 other people picked up how incredibly odd it is that a person would come to an online video game forum for advice, if this was actually real.
I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.
Give you dog to a responsible owner.
The only fitting punishment would be for you to be eaten by a cat.
You (not your friend and not your dog) bear the responsibility for your pet and are responsible for your neighbor's material loss.
By the way, by law, cats have roaming rights and dogs do not: dogs must be on leashes or restrained at all times.
| Aeolus451 said: We're not just talking about just deaths but attacks too. There are a ton each year because the dog gets loose or goes after a family member out of nowhere. If a dog shows any sign of aggressive behavior, the owner should be more mindful of it and make sure it doesn't get loose. Besides that cat was a pet to another person who cared about it. it wasn't some random wild animal. It being cat doesn't depreciate it's value in comparison to a dog. This would be different if the cat jumped into someone else's backyard with the dog in it and the dog attacked/killed it. It's the cat and the owner's fault in that case and not the dog. This particular dog got out of the backyard because the gate was left open, went over to the neighbor's front lawn and killed that neighbor's cat. It attacks and kills other pets at the very least when it's given the chance. I'm not saying he'll attack people but there's a higher chance of it with something like this happening where a dog's instinct got the better of it. The owner won't know if he'll attack people until it does and it's too late to take measures prevent it from happening. He should at the very least make sure the dog can't get out (not by tying it to pole when it's in a fenced-in area. that's cruel) by having fencing in good repair with no gates he can't get through or that can be left open. If the dog gets out and attack anything again, he needs to have it put down. |
Nevertheless, until a dog shows signs of aggression towards humans, we should not assume that it is anymore aggressive than any other dog. The majority of non-aggressive dogs will kill small animals, just like the overwhelming majority of cats would.
I never said the cat is worth less than the dog. I said that the owner of the cat should be responsible for the safety of their animal, and any damage said animal does to others, no more or less than the owner of a dog, bird, or mouse. Dog owners have shown themselves to be much more responsible than cat owners on average. It shows by the numbers of feral cats vs. feral dogs in this country. It shows by the damage cats do to wildlife and property vs. the damage dogs do to wildlife and property. Most cat owners that allow their cats to free roam are irresponsible, and if their animal dies it is partly due to their negligence. And if you think a cat would not attack and kill other pets you are sadly mistaken. EVERY SINGLE DOMESTICATED CAT would kill my smaller parrots if given the chance, sooner or later. There is a story about a cat that was friends with a parrot for five years, got pregnant, and then ate it. Cats are much more aggressive towards other pets, and less trainable to not be, than the average dog. Any owner of a bird or rodent can attest to that.
It isn't like cats don't attack people either. They do, they just don't damage people as much when it happens. But a cat on a child can really screw up the child's face or blind them, and that isn't considering the cases of cats carrying lethal diseases.
| Insidb said: By the way, by law, cats have roaming rights and dogs do not: dogs must be on leashes or restrained at all times. |
There was a time when dogs had roaming rights as well. Laws change, and as time passes more municipalities are figuring out that owners are not being responsible for their cats when they roam.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/29/cats-wild-birds-mammals-study/1873871/
"Our findings suggest that free-ranging cats cause substantially greater wildlife mortality than previously thought and are likely the single greatest source of anthropogenic mortality for U.S. birds and mammals," Marra and his co-authors conclude. "Scientifically sound conservation and policy intervention is needed to reduce this impact."
sc94597 said:
Nevertheless, until a dog shows signs of aggression towards humans, we should not assume that it is anymore aggressive than any other dog. The majority of non-aggressive dogs will kill small animals, just like the overwhelming majority of cats would. |
You're being unreasonable about cats walking around when most reasonable people don't give a rat's ass about it. Most pet cats are allowed to roam around their neighborhood by their owners without much incedent. It's a very normal practice because cats don't kill or do alot of damage to kids or people. People do get scratched by a cat when it doesn't want to be touched. Cats like to hunt smaller wild animals. That's normal. Sometimes cats get into things or cause mischief. Medium sized and in particularely large dogs are not allowed to roam around because they attack/sometimes kill people and attack other dogs/pets. # notall If a big dog gets loose, that's a problem and the dog could end up in the pound or the owner getting a ticket just for that. A cat walking around is so normal that no one cares about it. I don't care if dogs or cats kill wild animals. It's normal. A pet dog killing other people's pet cats is not acceptable behavior.
The cat was on the cat owner's property and was killed by a dog who escaped from it's owner fenced-in area for it. It was the dog owner's fault. Enough said.
| Aeolus451 said: You're being unreasonable about cats walking around when most reasonable people don't give a rat's ass about it. Most pet cats are allowed to roam around their neighborhood by their owners without much incedent. It's a very normal practice because cats don't kill or do alot of damage to kids or people. People do get scratched by a cat when it doesn't want to be touched. Cats like to hunt smaller wild animals. That's normal. Sometimes cats get into things or cause mischief. Medium sized and in particularely large dogs are not allowed to roam around because they attack/sometimes kill people and attack other dogs/pets. # notall If a big dog gets loose, that's a problem and the dog could end up in the pound or the owner getting a ticket just for that. A cat walking around is so normal that no one cares about it. I don't care if dogs or cats kill wild animals. It's normal. A pet dog killing other people's pet cats is not acceptable behavior. The cat was on the cat owner's property and was killed by a dog who escaped from it's owner fenced-in area for it. It was the dog owner's fault. Enough said. |
The bolded is seriously false. You must not be a property owner or an owner of a pet who is prey to cats. You must not have had to clean up a dozen dead rabbits in your yard, guts splattered all over, because a cat came through. You must not have had to rip out your attics flooring because multiple cats shit, piss, and spray everywhere while they were loose. Many municipalities are suffering from the damages free-roaming cats cause. And cat owners don't give a shit.
Just as I mentioned that a cat (with a collar) got into my house through the basement window, and was climbing all over my conure's cage, fortunately not able to reach it and kill my $500 bird whom I love dearly and whom I expect to live for at least another 20 years, cats kill many people's pets every day. Why not the outrage over that, when it could be easily prevented by not allowing people's cats to free roam off their property?
You are just normalized to it because you've never had to deal with it. Out of sight out of mind. The owner of the cat let it free-roam knowing all of the risks involved. Sure, it was mostly the OP's fault, but the cat's owner has some blame here as well. He put his cat in danger by letting it roam outside, and lost the lottery. It could have easily been a car or a hawk.
sc94597 said:
The bolded is seriously false. You must not be a property owner or an owner of a pet who is prey to cats. You must not have had to clean up a dozen dead rabbits in your yard, guts splattered all over, because a cat came through. You must not have had to rip out your attics flooring because multiple cats shit, piss, and spray everywhere while they were loose. Many municipalities are suffering from the damages free-roaming cats cause. And cat owners don't give a shit. You are just normalized to it because you've never had to deal with. Out of sight out of mind. The owner of the cat let it free-roam knowing all of the risks involved. Sure, it was mostly the OP's fault, but the cat's owner has some blame here as well. He put his cat in danger by letting it roam outside, and lost the lottery. It could have easily been a car or a hawk. |
The cat owner didn't have any blame in that. The cat was in the owner's yard and it's normal for a cat to be outside at least sometimes. A big dog running around loose is not normal or safe.
I've owned a turtle (they stink), iguana (kinda of a boring pet), birds (very noisy), dogs (great pets when they're small or medium)and cats (can be great or can be a nightmare depending on it's personality). The most damaging of them to my property was the dogs but it wasn't alot or like the extremes that you might see on tv. Cats and dogs are my favorite kind of pets because of the wide ranging degree and depth to their personalities.
You obviously hate cats so I doubt that you're being objective. We've both stated our opinions on it so let's just agree to disagree.
| Aeolus451 said: The cat owner didn't have any blame in that. The cat was in the owner's yard and it's normal for a cat to be outside at least sometimes. A big dog running around loose is not normal or safe. I've owned a turtle (they stink), iguana (kinda of a boring pet), birds (very noisy), dogs (great pets when they're small or medium)and cats (can be great or can be a nightmare depending on it's personality). The most damaging of them to my property was the dogs but it wasn't alot or like the extremes that you might see on tv. Cats and dogs are my favorite kind of pets because of the wide ranging degree and depth to their personalities. You obviously hate cats so I doubt that you're being objective. We've both stated our opinions on it so let's just agree to disagree. |
I don't hate cats. I hate people who don't take care of their animals properly, which often includes cat owners. I have owned and loved many cats in my life, in fact they were my first pets. If I let them outdoors I would've been aware of the risks to their health and would also be responsible for any damages my cats caused to other people. But who am I to argue with selfish people who think that it is okay for their cats to be loose, damage wildlife, damage people's property, kill people's pets, and risk their own lives?
Dogs can be more destructive of their owner's property, yes, but rarely will a dog get into another person's house, while it is a common occurance with outdoor cats.
Also it is ridiculous to assume that the cat somehow was trained to stay in the owner's lawn. The cat likely roamed quite often. That it was on the owner's property makes very little difference when just about anything has access to it. Just as I would be partly at fault for leaving the basement window open and if the cat killed my conure (an animal just as intelligent and loving as the cat) so is the owner of this cat partly responsible for his cat's death by allowing it to live a risky lifestyle.
Normal does not make it right. As an owner of an animal you are primarily responsible for its safety. If it dies from trauma, there was always something you could've done differently. If it is a risk you are willing to make, so be it, but that was a decision you made - own up to it and learn. If you don't understand that, then you are probably one of the people who don't deserve to own living things.
Here's a good read for outdoor cat owners, by the way. I recommend reading the comments too. Please don't be selfish guys. Think of other people and animals and the welfare of you and your cats. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/22/opinion/sunday/the-evil-of-the-outdoor-cat.html?_r=0
"ONCE upon a time I had a cat named Lucky, and the name fit. She turned up on our doorstep as a stray and stayed with us for 10 years, until her rather gruesome demise. (More about that later.) I liked her because she was a free spirit, and a survivor, going out for two, three, even five days, in all seasons. She’d show up when it suited her, waiting in the dark before dawn till I came downstairs and turned on my desk lamp. Then she’d make her presence known by rising up on her hind legs and gently scratching with her forepaws on my window.
Sometimes, without stopping to say hello, she’d leave us tattered offerings, with little starbursts of coagulated blood, on the front walk. The birds were disturbing, the moles and deer mice not so much. Jane, the older woman who lived two doors down, mentioned that Lucky sometimes lurked near her bird feeder, but she didn’t seem to think much of it, and neither did we. We put a bell on Lucky, but it didn’t last a week before she shed it in some bush.
If all this sounds lackadaisical, particularly in someone who writes about wildlife, I should note that Lucky, who died in 2008, was our last outdoor cat.
We were about to become early adopters in the trend that is beginning to make outdoor cats as socially unacceptable as smoking cigarettes in the office, or leaving dog droppings on the sidewalk.
What’s driving this trend is a growing sense of alarm about the dramatic decline in wildlife, and especially bird, populations, combined with a new awareness that cats bear a significant share of the blame.
Continue reading the main storyThe National Audubon Society tracks 20 common North American bird species — Eastern meadowlarks, field sparrows and the like — that are now in decline. Their numbers have dropped by 68 percent on average since 1967, because of a variety of factors. In Britain, likewise, farmland bird populations have plummeted just since 1995, with turtle doves, for instance, down by 85 percent, cuckoos by 50 percent, and lapwings by 41 percent.
If these were stock market numbers, people would be leaping from buildings. But the peculiar thing about what biologists have called “the second Silent Spring” is that people tend not to hear it.
Like a lot of other cat owners, I used to think that when Lucky went outside and, now and then, killed an animal, she was “just doing what’s natural” for a cat. I was aware that cats have caused or contributed to the extinction of 33 species. But all of those species were living on islands and many had likely never seen a predator before early navigators introduced cats. The mainland nature around me was savvier than that, I figured, and had the scale to handle incidental killings by a few house cats.
But that is no longer true, if it ever was. Intensification of agriculture is eliminating millions of acres of habitat from the countryside. The relentless development of cities and suburbs has also squeezed out wildlife, and will squeeze harder over the next few decades. Urbanized land area in the Lower 48 states is on track to more than triple between 1990 and 2050, according to the United States Forest Service. In four Northeastern states, more than 60 percent of the total land area will be urban by midcentury, up from about 35 percent in 2000.
Wildlife increasingly hangs on in the margins, in parks and on forgotten scraps of land, which function, as it happens, a lot like islands.
And wildlife in this country must share this land with a growing population of about 84 million owned cats, and anywhere from 30 to 80 million feral or stray cats. When all of them do “what’s natural” in a fragmented natural world, it adds up. Using deliberately conservative assumptions, federal researchers recently estimated that free-ranging cats killed about 2.4 billion birds annually in the Lower 48 states, a substantial bite out of the total bird population. Outdoor cats also kill about 12.3 billion small mammals a year — not just the proverbial rats and mice but also chipmunks, rabbits and squirrels — and about 650 million reptiles and amphibians. In some cases, they are pushing endangered species toward extinction.
But here is the number that sticks in my mind: Letting my own cat, Lucky, outdoors may have consigned as many as 33 birds and dozens of mammals to death every year. If you have ever seen a cat toy with its victim, you know these are not quick, or pretty, or painless deaths. So you might expect animal welfare groups to be ardently campaigning against outdoor cats, and particularly against the care and feeding of feral or stray cats, which do most of the killing.
Instead, these groups have mainly addressed the feral cat problem with a strategy called T.N.R., which involves trapping cats, neutering and immunizing them, and then releasing them again. Scientific studies have generally found that T.N.R. is not particularly effective at reducing feral cat colonies. The practice has also come under attack from one animal welfare group: PETA has described T.N.R. as a way for shelters to put a better spin on their image, because they don’t have to euthanize as many unwanted cats. But given the number of birds and small mammals the released cats go on to kill, I question whether the Humane Society and other T.N.R. backers should call themselves “animal welfare” groups anymore.
None of this may sound as if outdoor cats are on the way to becoming socially unacceptable, although when birders and cat lovers start shouting at each other about outdoor cats, it can seem as if we are en route to open warfare. But the change in attitudes toward smoking didn’t come easy, either. The smoking analogy is also more apt than may at first appear because outdoor cats, like secondhand smoke, also threaten the health of innocent human bystanders.
Cats are three to four times more likely than dogs to carry rabies, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. They also share many other parasites or infectious microbes with humans, including roundworms, hookworms, giardia and campylobacter. When cats live outdoors it is almost impossible to predict what they will bring home next. In Massachusetts and New York, for instance, cats recently turned up infected with a worm normally found in raccoons. One owner pulled four of them, about six inches long, through her cat’s skin, “which isn’t the best idea,” says one of the Cornell University scientists who reported the cases.
Most insidiously, outdoor cats are the primary hosts of toxoplasmosis, which is estimated to infect almost 30 percent of all humans worldwide. Toxoplasmosis produces lifelong parasitic cysts in the brain, and though it is generally asymptomatic it has been linked to neurological impairments, depression, blindness and birth defects. Even in asymptomatic individuals, the infection is associated with significant loss of memory in later life, according to a study last month in the journal Brain, Behavior, and Immunity. But I’m not really arguing that outdoor cats will become socially unacceptable because they are bad for humans. Rather, I think ardent cat lovers will eventually see that the multiple hazards of outdoor living are also terrible for cats.
And that brings me back to Lucky, and the night that her good name failed her. We never really found out what happened. But the other outdoor cat in the neighborhood, also a longtime survivor, died that same night. And the next morning a bobcat crossed right in front of my car and stopped in the middle of the road to fix me with a brazen I’m-walking-here-and-what-are-you-looking-at glower.
Most of Lucky turned up in the yard next door. Another piece was served up on the picnic table. A third, with a starburst of coagulated blood, appeared on the sidewalk, right where Lucky used to leave her offerings. I suppose it was a fitting end, in a live-by-the-sword sort of way, and for once, wildlife triumphed.
But I also know that I will never own an outdoor cat again."
Cats maybe can kill baby rabbits, although they aren't normally very interested in them, but adult rabbits definitely aren't their prey. My cats get along well with the neigbours' rabbits when they escape. Definitely my cats never kill chicks, but only adult birds.
And massacre of more than one animal at a time is not a typical cat behaviour, that's what typically some mustelids like weasels, martens and ermines do when they go into a blood frenzy, but if the animal is defenceless, like baby rabbits, also rats become ruthless killers. BTW, amongst the worst killers of chicks of other birds there are seagulls, and in the last years in many towns and their surroundings, they have become infesting almost like rats, in the park of the children hospital near my home they even kicked out owls.
As usual, PETA and the like, unlike more serious organisations like WWF, mostly say utter bullshit.
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