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This won't happen. VR, like 3D, is just niche and cannot be mainstream. Nintendo made 3D as easy to consume and develop for as it gets and guess what, nearly everyone just turns that shit off. VR won't be any different.



superchunk said:
This won't happen. VR, like 3D, is just niche and cannot be mainstream. Nintendo made 3D as easy to consume and develop for as it gets and guess what, nearly everyone just turns that shit off. VR won't be any different.

3D was and still is very mainstream in cinemas. Not so much on tvs or handhelds, which is because it doesn't add that much on a small screen. Being aware of the borders at all times ruins the effect, as well as the static viewpoint which is very noticeable on smaller screens. Even on a VR device 3D 360 videos don't work very well since you can't move in the scene.

VR does have a lot to offer for games. Some VR games can't even be played when you turn that shit off.

3D is just one small part of VR, it's not like VR. VR would still work without stereoscopic 3D. It doesn't work without positional tracking, yet the industry insists on presenting 360 videos as VR. VR cameras haven't been invented yet.

VR is different.

I wonder though if holographic cellphone displays will offer enough not to turn that shit off. They're being developed now. Just as 3D wasn't as good on 3DS as in the cinema, I doubt a holographic image floating above a cellphone display can give a comparable VR experience. Yet perhaps a holographic DS is something Nintendo would be interested in over strapping the Switch to your face.



superchunk said:
This won't happen. VR, like 3D, is just niche and cannot be mainstream. Nintendo made 3D as easy to consume and develop for as it gets and guess what, nearly everyone just turns that shit off. VR won't be any different.

Nintendo is working on VR, Kimishima has confirmed it and I believe the Nintendo World theme park with also incorporate VR. 

VR is not like 3D, it is a much more tangiable experience, I would say it's more like online ... in the early days when the Dreamcast had online a lot of people were saying online would not take off and wasn't a big deal. 

Or even early on, I remember people saying polygonal graphics were overrated and wasn't going to become the future of gaming (this is around when Star Fox came out). 

Well it just took some time for the technology to become more widespread. The same will happen with VR IMO. In 10 years you'll have VR light years beyond the current stuff that's much lighter/easier to use and cheap. 



Soundwave said:
superchunk said:
This won't happen. VR, like 3D, is just niche and cannot be mainstream. Nintendo made 3D as easy to consume and develop for as it gets and guess what, nearly everyone just turns that shit off. VR won't be any different.

Nintendo is working on VR, Kimishima has confirmed it and I believe the Nintendo World theme park with also incorporate VR. 

VR is not like 3D, it is a much more tangiable experience, I would say it's more like online ... in the early days when the Dreamcast had online a lot of people were saying online would not take off and wasn't a big deal. 

Or even early on, I remember people saying polygonal graphics were overrated and wasn't going to become the future of gaming (this is around when Star Fox came out). 

Well it just took some time for the technology to become more widespread. The same will happen with VR IMO. In 10 years you'll have VR light years beyond the current stuff that's much lighter/easier to use and cheap. 

Spot on.

People are reluctant to change, but as time passes, and things get better people always migrate to the best expereince. By the 2030's AR/VR will be part of our everyday lives, in work, at home, and in every aspect of entertainment. 

The car industry is going through the same thing with Electric cars. People around me are livid over the thought of people driving electric vehicals, but I guarantee a huge percentage of them will either have or be planning to buy an electric vehical by 2030. 

Finally, a very recent event. Smartphones. People hated the idea of a phone doing more than making a phone call 10 years ago. Now all of those people that said they would never use any of that crap, have a smartphone, and they use it constantly. 

That is why I have no doubt VR will eventually take off. I have no doubt that eventually consoles will replace PC in the casual computing/gaming  space, and that gaming phones will eventually find their place in the market. The best experience always wins out in the end, even if it sometimes takes a couple of trys/decades before the masses finally see what they have been missing.



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Never been a fan of VR. That is not to say I never will be. However, the standards of VR this generation are sub par to the standards comparable to regular gaming. The immersion, summed up, is having a screen stuffed in front of your face with gyro sensors and audio to shut out the world around you. An updated Switch wouldn't shift the standard. Sure it could sell a lot more, but it still would be within the standards of this generation of VR. I'd would largely prefer the game industry, to invest in AR.

 



2020 or more probably 2021 can be one of the first years when cheap portable CPUs and GPUs will be able to deliver HD VR, but i'm not too sure it would fit well in Nintendo plans and philosophy, even less as a mid-life Switch model, as even a simple and cheap mid-life addition like WiiMote Plus higher precision motion control, despite being what many actually expected from Wii since launch, didn't receive enough first party support, let alone third party one.
VR to become mainstream will have to be standard equipment since console launch, so neitherr PS4, nor XBOne, nor Switch will achieve it, we'll have to wait until at least next gen, if not even the successive one. Or maybe it will remain niche, although a lot bigger than now, forever, if the majority of gamers will decide it likes to use it only on a minority of games, or in a minor part of times they play.



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When I said mainstream, I meant it was something the mass  consumer wants and buys. That simply isn't true for 3D gaming or otherwise, but obviously I'm referring to the topic of gaming.

Same with VR. Nintendo did say they were working on it. But that is just R&D. I'm sure they are working on many different techs and ideas. But that doesn't mean even half will see the light of day. How many have has Nintendo shown at E3 that were never launched? It happens.

VR had shown that just like 3D, no one actually will buy it. It's not something a mass consumer will buy.

 

Also it has nothing to do with accepting new tech. It's simply doesn't provide the benefit to overcome any extra cost. Cost could be money or user experience (i.e. wearing gear).



"underpowered" just don't work in VR no matter how cute the art style.

~2020-2021 will be when Oculus 2, PSVR2 etc come out: ~4K OLED 120hz, foveated rendering, at max $299. If Nintendo ever went VR, they'll likely wait another gen. Switch 2 in ~2022-2023.

superchunk said:

When I said mainstream, I meant it was something the mass  consumer wants and buys. That simply isn't true for 3D gaming or otherwise, but obviously I'm referring to the topic of gaming.

Same with VR. Nintendo did say they were working on it. But that is just R&D. I'm sure they are working on many different techs and ideas. But that doesn't mean even half will see the light of day. How many have has Nintendo shown at E3 that were never launched? It happens.

VR had shown that just like 3D, no one actually will buy it. It's not something a mass consumer will buy.

 

Also it has nothing to do with accepting new tech. It's simply doesn't provide the benefit to overcome any extra cost. Cost could be money or user experience (i.e. wearing gear).

All VR would need to succeed is cost less than $100 and have AAA studios like Naughty Dog working on it. We're probably 10 years from that point.



I can understand the viewpoint that the technology isn't ready yet but not those who think VR isn't the future it clearly is without any doubt. That's not to say all gaming will be VR but it will be huge when the time is right.