Thats fucked up. She should have tried to encourage him not to kill himself. She doesnt deserve the prison time though.
thismeintiel said:
So, you think Manson shouldn't have gone to jail? I mean, all he did was tell people to kill. He didn't do it himself. The bitch actually told the guy to get back in the car and that it would be better if he were dead. And this wasn't on one occassion, where it is common sense that the person doesn't literally mean it. She actually goaded a mentally ill person into killing himself after months of persuasion. |
What are you talking about? I never said anything like that.
What she is did is entirely different that what manson did.
JWeinCom said:
Roy: "i don't want anyone hurt in the process though"
Roy: "I meant when they open the door, all the carbon monoxide is gonna come out they can't see it or smell it. whoever opens the door"
Carter: "They will see the generator and know that you died of CO. . . ."
----
Roy: "hey can you do me a favor"
Carter: "Yes of course"
Roy: "just be there for my family :)"
Carter: "Conrad, of course I will be there for your family. I will help them as much as I can to get thru this, ill tell them about how amazing their son/brother truly was"
----
Roy: "Idk I'm freaking out again"
Roy: I'm overthinking"
Carter: "I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready, you just need to do it! You can't keep living this way. You just need to do it like you did last time and not think about it and just do it babe. You can't keep doing this every day"
Roy: "I do want to. but like I'm freaking for my family. I guess"
Roy: "idkkk"
Carter: "Conrad. I told you I'll take care of them. Everyone will take care of them to make sure they won't be alone and people will help them get thru it. We talked about this, they will be okay and accept it. People who commit suicide don't think this much and they just do it"
July 12, 2014In these exchanges on the day before his body was found, Roy expresses more hesitation about his plan.
Carter: "So I guess you aren't gonna do it then, all that for nothing"
Carter: "I'm just confused like you were so ready and determined"
Roy: "I am gonna eventually"
Roy: "I really don't know what I'm waiting for. . but I have everything lined up"
Carter: "No, you're not, Conrad. Last night was it. You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it but u never do. Its always gonna be that way if u don't take action"
Carter: "You're just making it harder on yourself by pushing it off, you just have to do it"
Carter: "Do u wanna do it now?"
Roy: "Is it too late?"
Roy: "Idkk it's already light outside"
Roy: I'm gonna go back to sleep, love you I'll text you tomorrow"
Carter: "No? Its probably the best time now because everyone's sleeping. Just go somewhere in your truck. And no one's really out right now because it's an awkward time"
Carter: "If u don't do it now you're never gonna do it"
Carter: "And u can say you'll do it tomorrow but you probably won't"
---
Carter: "You just need to do it Conrad or I'm gonna get you help"
Carter: "You can't keep doing this everyday"
Roy: "Okay I'm gonna do it today"
Carter: "Do you promise"
Roy: "I promise babe"
Roy: "I have to now"
Carter: "Like right now?"
Roy: "where do I go? :("
Carter: "And u can't break a promise. And just go in a quiet parking lot or something."
Nah, she was being pretty literal.
|
Reading that...makes me sick. What gets me are the casual endearments thrown in, like she's doing him a favor. They talk about his suicide like it's his collage application or a job opportunity, not the end of his existence. That...normalization is sick.
And the worst thing is, I can see how it happened. I have people really close to me that fit this sick mold of a relationship and it gives me anxiety. Yeah, she deserved every single minute of that sentence and still got off lightly.
Aeolus451 said:
What are you talking about? I never said anything like that. What she is did is entirely different that what manson did. |
She told someone mentally predispositioned to kill himself to do so. It's not like telling normal people to kill themselves, or telling someone you didn't know was suicidal to kill himself. As his girlfriend, she would have known he was suicidal. She would have known there was a good chance that would push him over the edge. Despite this, she still encouraged him to kill himself.
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JWeinCom said:
Roy: "i don't want anyone hurt in the process though"
Roy: "I meant when they open the door, all the carbon monoxide is gonna come out they can't see it or smell it. whoever opens the door"
Carter: "They will see the generator and know that you died of CO. . . ."
----
Roy: "hey can you do me a favor"
Carter: "Yes of course"
Roy: "just be there for my family :)"
Carter: "Conrad, of course I will be there for your family. I will help them as much as I can to get thru this, ill tell them about how amazing their son/brother truly was"
----
Roy: "Idk I'm freaking out again"
Roy: I'm overthinking"
Carter: "I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready, you just need to do it! You can't keep living this way. You just need to do it like you did last time and not think about it and just do it babe. You can't keep doing this every day"
Roy: "I do want to. but like I'm freaking for my family. I guess"
Roy: "idkkk"
Carter: "Conrad. I told you I'll take care of them. Everyone will take care of them to make sure they won't be alone and people will help them get thru it. We talked about this, they will be okay and accept it. People who commit suicide don't think this much and they just do it"
July 12, 2014In these exchanges on the day before his body was found, Roy expresses more hesitation about his plan.
Carter: "So I guess you aren't gonna do it then, all that for nothing"
Carter: "I'm just confused like you were so ready and determined"
Roy: "I am gonna eventually"
Roy: "I really don't know what I'm waiting for. . but I have everything lined up"
Carter: "No, you're not, Conrad. Last night was it. You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it but u never do. Its always gonna be that way if u don't take action"
Carter: "You're just making it harder on yourself by pushing it off, you just have to do it"
Carter: "Do u wanna do it now?"
Roy: "Is it too late?"
Roy: "Idkk it's already light outside"
Roy: I'm gonna go back to sleep, love you I'll text you tomorrow"
Carter: "No? Its probably the best time now because everyone's sleeping. Just go somewhere in your truck. And no one's really out right now because it's an awkward time"
Carter: "If u don't do it now you're never gonna do it"
Carter: "And u can say you'll do it tomorrow but you probably won't"
---
Carter: "You just need to do it Conrad or I'm gonna get you help"
Carter: "You can't keep doing this everyday"
Roy: "Okay I'm gonna do it today"
Carter: "Do you promise"
Roy: "I promise babe"
Roy: "I have to now"
Carter: "Like right now?"
Roy: "where do I go? :("
Carter: "And u can't break a promise. And just go in a quiet parking lot or something."
Nah, she was being pretty literal.
|
Any recording of them actually talking about this or records of them communicating before all that? The reason why I'm asking if just about anything is damning on text because emotions can't be conveyed through it easily or you can't read facial reactions/body language or the tone of their voice.
I still think she shouldn't go to jail over it. There are couples out there pushing for legal suicide for one of them while the other is supporting their choice.
Azuren said:
She told someone mentally predispositioned to kill himself to do so. It's not like telling normal people to kill themselves, or telling someone you didn't know was suicidal to kill himself. As his girlfriend, she would have known he was suicidal. She would have known there was a good chance that would push him over the edge. Despite this, she still encouraged him to kill himself. |
It was still his choice. I don't know their history or either of them so I'm trying to be as objective as possible over it. Isn't there couples pushing for legal suicide? That's what makes this sort of thing complicated in my opinion.
pussypass still going strong in the criminal justice system
| Aeolus451 said: I disagree with them putting her in prison for her words in general and for how long they gave her. That could set a nasty precedent. |
wtf
why does it matter if she is 20 or not? any aged person encouraging anyone to kill themselves would be bad.
Ignoring whether what she did is or should be a crime, what she did was certainly not 'involuntary manslaughter', which is what she was convicted for. Well, at least unless involuntary manslaughter is defined in a really bizarre way in the law.
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