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Forums - Sports Discussion - The NFL Thread 2017: Philadelphia Eagles Win Super Bowl LII

 

Who will win Super Bowl LII?

New England Patriots 7 31.82%
 
Pittsburgh Steelers 1 4.55%
 
Jacksonville Jaguars 3 13.64%
 
Kansas City Chiefs 0 0%
 
Philadelphia Eagles 5 22.73%
 
Minnesota Vikings 3 13.64%
 
Los Angeles Rams 0 0%
 
New Orleans Saints 0 0%
 
Other 1 4.55%
 
Scoreboard 2 9.09%
 
Total:22

I'm definitely changing my bracket before the actual season starts lol, hearing about injuries like every day already



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RolStoppable said:
Did the Packers get rid of their CBs from last year? I thought that they would bank on all the injured players being ready to go again this season. Eddie Lacy has had many so-so games, so I am not bothered that he isn't with the Packers anymore.

Not sure if I trust MTZehvor who is a spoiled Patriots fan.

Entirely reasonable to not trust me, I'm extremely spoiled and I also don't know what I'm talking about.

The Packers' starting corners at the beginning of training camp were Davon House (who was benched by the Jags last year, though he claims it wasn't because of his play), and third yearer LaDarius Gunter (who has a career total of 12 passes defended, though he did force two fumbles). Backing them up (according to NFL.com and Reddit) are, or were, rookie Kevin King (who got injured two days ago during training camp and hasn't practiced since) and another third year player in Quinten Rollins (who has 14 passes defended over his entire career and suffered a concussion last year after plowing head first into the ground against the Lions last year).

Sam Shields and Micah Hyde are the notable secondary names gone, although Shields spent virtually the entirety of last year on IR. The biggest problem for Green Bay is that there just isn't a lot of experience at cornerback, or in the secondary as a whole. Safety is a bit better than CB; Ha Ha Clinton Dix and Morgan Burnett are the two presumed starting safeties, who are coming into their fourth and seventh years as starters respectively. As far as corner goes, though, your choices are two third year players, a second year player, a rookie, or a guy that the Jags didn't want back.



RolStoppable said:
Did the Packers get rid of their CBs from last year? I thought that they would bank on all the injured players being ready to go again this season. Eddie Lacy has had many so-so games, so I am not bothered that he isn't with the Packers anymore.

Not sure if I trust MTZehvor who is a spoiled Patriots fan.

You will probably be bothered if he has a good year with the Seahawks!😜



RolStoppable said:
gergroy said:

You will probably be bothered if he has a good year with the Seahawks!😜

Really, Lacy is with the Seahawks now? The team with the dysfunctional O-line that led to injuries of QBs and RBs alike?

Yep... but maybe they will magically be good this year!🙏



Welp, as a result of Ryan Tannehill's knee injury, Jay Cutler has signed a one year deal with the Dolphins. This seems to indicate a couple of things.

#1: Tannehill is likely out for a significant period of time. We still don't have any official word on what the injury is (other than it's to his knee), but $10 million isn't an amount teams typically throw around for someone they aren't even sure will play.

#2: Someone influential on the Dolphins, be it Adam Gase, Chris Grier, or perhaps even Stephen Ross, thinks Miami is capable of competing for a Super Bowl now. Matt Moore's stats aren't significantly worse than Cutler's, but Cutler does have a lot more experience as a starting QB, especially in the postseason. This doesn't seem like a move you would make unless you have a roster that you think is capable of making a deep playoff run, and just need an experienced QB to not screw things up in the playoffs. Looking at the Dolphins currently...I don't see anything to generate that level of optimism.



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RolStoppable said:
MTZehvor said:
Welp, as a result of Ryan Tannehill's knee injury, Jay Cutler has signed a one year deal with the Dolphins. This seems to indicate a couple of things.

#1: Tannehill is likely out for a significant period of time. We still don't have any official word on what the injury is (other than it's to his knee), but $10 million isn't an amount teams typically throw around for someone they aren't even sure will play.

#2: Someone influential on the Dolphins, be it Adam Gase, Chris Grier, or perhaps even Stephen Ross, thinks Miami is capable of competing for a Super Bowl now. Matt Moore's stats aren't significantly worse than Cutler's, but Cutler does have a lot more experience as a starting QB, especially in the postseason. This doesn't seem like a move you would make unless you have a roster that you think is capable of making a deep playoff run, and just need an experienced QB to not screw things up in the playoffs. Looking at the Dolphins currently...I don't see anything to generate that level of optimism.

They must be banking on Ajayi tearing through defenses and making it easy for his QB. They must also believe in their defense.

Something else, you've been hating that Packers offense and today I read this:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000825664/article/packers-o-could-be-unstoppable-dalvin-cook-set-for-big-season

Yes, Bucky is biased towards the Packers, but still... you are a hater. You probably think that the Patriots have the Super Bowl in the bag already (and that's probably true), but still... you are a hater.

I don't think I've ever said anything negative about the Packers' offense on here except for a jab about a running back that's no longer with the team. Green Bay's offense is fantastic, and, on paper, it's only gotten better with the addition of Martellus Bennett and another year of experience for Davante Adams. The Packers' defense is what I've gone after, and that's because it was their achilles heel last year and they didn't do much to improve it. A defense that ranked 22nd in yards allowed and 31st in passing yards allowed last year drafted a cornerback in the second round that many considered a questionable pick, did nothing to pursue Stephon Gilmore, and instead went after Davon House (already made my assessment of him clear). It's frustrating to watch even as an outsider because the Packers' have a fantastic offense with an all time great QB in the middle of his prime, but they've put seemingly no effort in to giving them a defense to play with. It's like Ted Thompson only wants to win if his offense has to put up 40 points or more.

I definitely don't think the Patriots have the Super Bowl in the bag. On paper, it looks like they've gotten better, but there's any number of things that could go wrong. Gronk could get injured again, Brady might finally start to regress, an AFC team like Pittsburgh or Oakland could avoid injuries/suspensions and pose a much more serious threat than they did last year, Bill Belichick might decide that just regularly kicking off with a 14 point lead is lame again and decide to go for a triple bounce onside kick off the back goalpost or some other bullshit that motivates the other team into playing well and the Patriots blow a crucial playoff game as a result. The NFL is an unpredictable league, and in a one game playoff system, anything can happen.



RolStoppable said:

I must have lost track about all the things you ranted about in regards to so many teams. Indeed, you only said that the Packers' plane is safe now.

But you are still a Patriots fan and that makes you an enemy by default.

Entirely fair. I still hope that the Patriots and Packers meet up in a Super Bowl some day so we can avenge 31.



Snap judgments from 1 preseason game...

Pats' defensive backups looked absolutely awful, especially the secondary. New England routinely got beat deep by backup Jags receivers, including two long TDs over beleaguered CB Cyrus Jones. New England may have one of the best one-two CB punches in the league this season in Malcolm Butler and Stephon Gilmore, but if either of them has to miss extended time for some reason, we're going to be in trouble.

The competition at wide receiver got a little more interesting with really good games from Austin Carr and Jacob Hollister. Chances of either beating out Amendola for the last WR spot is slim at best, but I have to wonder if Belichick might be willing to bring a 7th WR onto the team. Carr especially looks like a solid option if someone gets injured.

Jimmy Garoppolo and Jacoby Brissett both looked decent, though they both had to deal with suboptimal OL play. Garoppolo got a surprising amount of play time. Normally, I'd say that this was an attempt by Belichick to demonstrate that Garoppolo can still play well despite a disappointing training camp, but since his contract is up at the end of the year, that seems counter intuitive. Maybe Belichick feels there's a genuine possibility of Brady falling off this year.

Barely any players who played significant time last season played at all in this game, so unfortunately didn't get a chance to see the newer high profile FAs in action. Hopefully I'll get the chance to complain about them like the spoiled fan I am next week.



Broncos D looked great, per usual. Offense about as shitty as expected.



Bears may actually have hopes for the quarterback position. Also, I decided to buy this yesterday...