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No, we're not.

First off, lets be clear...evil isn't some abstract, hard to define thing. Evil is simply a word we give things that are of the utmost social taboo. The things that happen in our societies that do irreparable damage to small and large portions of our community, because while we are inherently self-centered in many respects, we are also inherently co-dependant, empathetic, and an overall highly social species. We need the acceptance, respect, and love of others to thrive. As such, we mostly do our best to please people.

People tend to think there is so much "evil" in our world, mostly because one, we have unprecedented access to information and news from all around the world, highlighting every tragic thing that happens, and two, because our international relationships we foster these days are something we're frankly not designed for. Humanity has spent thousands of years living in very small, tight knit communities, where basically everyone knew everyone, everyone looked like their neighbour, spoke the same language, etc......now we live in communities of thousands or even millions of people, and through the internet, we've essentially become one massive community of billions. That sort of thing could never go over without some pretty major conflicts.



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People aren't born inherently good or evil, morality is a social construct and is arbitrarily defined from person to person but most people follow a social consensus on what constitutes as good behaviour. Since humans are social creatures from an evolutionary perspective it benefits human survival to be good to and aid each other.

Humans are instinctively selfish which is why some people do what the majority consensus would deem bad or evil as they believe it's for their benefit and either don't care or won't even consider that their actions can be of detriment to others. However being selfish isn't necessarily evil it's just about being able to contemplate what course of action benefits you but causes the least amount of pain and suffering unto others.



niceguygameplayer said:
collint0101 said:
There's no good or evil only different perspectives

Very wrong. The Bible clearly defines what is evil. Most other religions follow many of the same beliefs. If one just wakes up, grabs a gun, goes out in the street and kills the first person they see, that will nearly universally be considered evil. 

The Bible is just 1 of many moral codes and even it condones many things that are considered wrong or evil by modern standards. Evil is subjective, it changes based on who you're talking to and when 



VGPolyglot said:

So, I guess in an attempt to drive more discussion on this site, I may try to come up with some interesting topics for us to discuss here. So, I decided that this one was an interesting one to do, as I was already talking about it with others, and wanted to see what you guys thought.

Now, the question can already cause problems Specifically the last two words: inherently, and evil. Now, in this discussion, I'll be using the word to mean that a person is born with evil traits, and these traits are not a result of circumstances or events throughout life that drove someone to have become mentally broken. The word evil is much more difficult to accurately define, because morality changes depending on the person, and whether or not someone is even considered evil can vary drastically depending on who you ask. So, I'll leave it a bit open-ended in order to allow wider discussion.

Now, with this I think that the question of fate comes into play. Others may disagree with me, but to me the two are inseparable, because in asking whether someone's inherently evil, that essentially means you're asking if someone's inevitably going to have evil traits. I don't see how there could be any other way of viewing it, unless someone else could explain it to me.

Also, I guess if an individual could be inherently evil, we'd have to assume that the opposite would also apply: that there are people that are inherently good. So, in saying that, one would conclude I assume that in basic terms, someone is not nice because of their efforts to do so, but because it comes naturally to them, much in the same way that someone who is evil would do it because it comes naturally to them.

Another thing to consider with this, would be nurture vs. nature. Now, it seems to be a contiuum/scale, where most people believe that each has at least some effect on the individual, but it is hotly debated how big the slice of the pie is for each. Socialists very much believe that social interactions have a huge influence on the individual, while those with other political views prefer to take more of a view that encourages nature to take over.

OK, now I guess it's on to my views! I guess I may have already hinted at it before, but being a socialist myself, I very much believe that social interactions have a huge impact on one's life. So, In saying that I cannot accept that there is such thing as an inherently good or evil person. Yes, there may be violent traits, but being as though we have survival instincts, I wouldn't consider that to be necessarily evil. They just have to be suppressed. Unfortunately, problems in one's life can exacerbate issues or make them re-surface, which I believe is the trigger to someone committing atrocious actions. It can either happen through rough times, stress or paranoia. Also talking about fate, I do not believe in it myself, so it's much harder for me to think of a human being that is somehow born malicious.

So, that's my write-up on it, I'm wondering what your takes are on it!

Depends entirely on your definition of good and evil. People have a natural sensibility to the vulnerabilities of others (which I would qualify as the natural human "good"), but egocentricism, scapegoating and a superiority complex are all also part of human nature. The balance, I assume, changes from one person to the next. 



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collint0101 said:
niceguygameplayer said:

Very wrong. The Bible clearly defines what is evil. Most other religions follow many of the same beliefs. If one just wakes up, grabs a gun, goes out in the street and kills the first person they see, that will nearly universally be considered evil. 

The Bible is just 1 of many moral codes and even it condones many things that are considered wrong or evil by modern standards. Evil is subjective, it changes based on who you're talking to and when 

You're conflating the breaking of a society's rules/laws with evil. They're not the same thing. Evil for the most part is not subjective but laws/rules of the land are. 



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niceguygameplayer said:
collint0101 said:
There's no good or evil only different perspectives

Very wrong. The Bible clearly defines what is evil. Most other religions follow many of the same beliefs. If one just wakes up, grabs a gun, goes out in the street and kills the first person they see, that will nearly universally be considered evil. 

We all naturally feel disgust towards certain actions, which translates to their inclusion in the moral codes of cultures internationally. However, this simply means that these actions hurt the survival of our species/collectivities - that is not necessarily a moral absolute.



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Aeolus451 said:

"You're conflating the breaking of a society's rules/laws with evil. They're not the same thing. "

Agreed.

Aeolus451 said:

" Evil for the most part is not subjective but laws/rules of the land are. "

I'd say the contrary. You can objectively follow the rules of the land. I would claim that saying someone is evil is inherintly subjective.



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Aeolus451 said:
collint0101 said:

The Bible is just 1 of many moral codes and even it condones many things that are considered wrong or evil by modern standards. Evil is subjective, it changes based on who you're talking to and when 

You're conflating the breaking of a society's rules/laws with evil. They're not the same thing. Evil for the most part is not subjective but laws/rules of the land are. 

You can legally stone someone to death for saying god damn it in iran. Is that evil or is that simply an example of different moral standards and beliefs in a foreign country



palou said:
Aeolus451 said:

"You're conflating the breaking of a society's rules/laws with evil. They're not the same thing. "

Agreed.

Aeolus451 said:

" Evil for the most part is not subjective but laws/rules of the land are. "

I'd say the contrary. You can objectively follow the rules of the land. I would claim that saying someone is evil is inherintly subjective.

What constistutes as evil is generally universal like rapists, canablism (outside of extreme survival situations), serial killers, murderers in general, child molesters, genocidal acts. Things of along that line. 



Both selfishness and selflessness are parts of our nature. One of the reasons we are full of contradictions.



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