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Healthcare you want for the US

Single Payer (All taxes) 83 57.24%
 
Multi-Payer (Government option) 24 16.55%
 
Heavy regulations (Capita... 6 4.14%
 
Moderate regulation 14 9.66%
 
No regulation 14 9.66%
 
Alternative Medicine 4 2.76%
 
Total:145
Nymeria said:
Bandorr said:
I am actually quite amazed at what a huge train wreck this was.

They had 7 to 8 years to come up with a better health plan. Instead they came up with disaster, after disaster.

The House passes a bill. Not because it is ready, but because they are desperate for a photo op and a thumbs up hoping the senate will do all the work for them.

Which ended up with the Senate ALMOST passing a bill they DIDN'T want to pass. Think about that. They Senate almost passed a bill they were afraid the House would pass. Several Senators had to demand pink promises to NOT vote on what the senate JUST voted on.

Something they were actually right in being afraid of, because it sounds like the House was ready to enact "Martial Law" and immediately sign the damn bill. Desperate for another victory.

It is almost like a movie though. Mccain is the tie-breaking vote allowing this disaster to continue forward. It is then Mccain who puts the final bullet in the beast.

This was never about health care, it was about altering tax structure to favor wealthy donors. I'm glad it is failing and an embarassment for those that supported it.  Single payer medicare for all hopefully by 2023 assuming 2018, 2020, 2022 got he way to supporting that shift.

Well it was also about being desperate for a win since they have been very few of them. With a small amount of "fucking obama" from Trump and co.  A splash of racism, liberal hate and absolute cluelessness - and here we are.

Also OP can we get "Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska" in the OP also? They have actually done more to stop these bills than Mccain.

Something quite poetic about this. Senate shuts out all the women from discussing health care bill - so they tank the health care bill.



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51-49. That it came that close in the first place...
They need to come up with something a lot better that doesn't throw 20+ million people, including small children and hard working adults, off health insurance.

That said, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and McCain deserve props for their vote.

vivster said:

It's obviously voter fraud. Millions of illegal immigrants in the senate are voting against the bill.

You know if Trump tweeted that, I bet there would be a good portion of people who would believe it.



Bandorr said:

Also OP can we get "Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska" in the OP also? They have actually done more to stop these bills than Mccain.

Something quite poetic about this. Senate shuts out all the women from discussing health care bill - so they tank the health care bill.

Just need the old men in the Senate and House to debate women's reproductive health again.  They obviously know what's best for the simple minded females.



Hiku said:

51-49. That it came that close in the first place...

vivster said:

It's obviously voter fraud. Millions of illegal immigrants in the senate are voting against the bill.

You know if Trump tweeted that, I bet there would be a good portion of people who would believe it.

If anyone tweeted that, there would be a good portion of people that believed it. Some people are just desperate for it to not be their fault. To not be their parties fault.



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I saw a few people who actually stayed up at night just to see how this vote turned out. To know if they or their family members would lose health insurance..

THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

Health insurance is a human right everywhere else on the planet in developed countries.
Because the majority of people want it that way. And they do in the US as well, poll after poll shows. But the people in the US don't have the power to overturn this system where pharma companies pay politicians to keep voting in their favor.

The only way to break the cycle may be to beging getting money out of politics. Vote for politicians who do not take corporate or pac money.



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TargaryenVers2 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/28/healthcare-bill-us-senate-votes-down-obamacare-skinny-repeal-revolt-by-john-mccain

 

Looks like Republicans realized their half-assed attempts and lack of transparancy when it comes to people's lives caught up to them. Time to move on.

Considering the context of what they were trying to repeal, this statement is quite amusing.



Hiku said:



Vote for politicians who do not take corporate or pac money.

If you find one of those then let me know.  I don't believe they exist.



sethnintendo said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You could argue US healthcare is less regulated than single payer countries.

But a free market it's not.

With hidden pricing.  Amazing you don't know how much things cost till all is said and done.  This benefits the hospitals and pricing can vary widely between hospitals in the same area.

 

Here is a genius thought...  Why don't we make pricing more transparent and make hospitals produce a list and price of their procedures.  You know so the average citizen can maybe shop around for the best price for quality of service.  I mean we made fast food start listing calories of their meals so why not demand hospitals list prices.

There are several companies trying to compose lists and pricing such as Castlight health but that depends on if they team up with your employer.  Oh and if government backed out completely I would expect nothing but this shit show to continue.  We are dominated by only a few big companies when it comes to insurance.  You think they will all of sudden have a friendly competition and start lowering prices.  USA is full of monopolies now in every sector of business.

You know that cost structure is a sensitive information that basically defines if a company is competitive or not and that releasing that information is basically the destruction of a company? You already have the price they charge to decide if you want to pay or not and for publically traded companies you have their accountability release where you can see how much is their profit margins and verify if they are overcharging or just the cost itself is high.

Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:
Waiting for the day anything provided by the government will net being cheaper than the population paying themselves directly since when government provides it's actually population paying through taxes with added cost of corruption, inefficiency, interference and overhead.
But good for VGC users that know how much good government involvement in market is, right?

For many people it is cheaper being provided by the government than them paying directly though. Not everybody is rich...

Yes, because other people would be paying. Read again where I put POPULATION and not single person.



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DonFerrari said:
Ka-pi96 said:

For many people it is cheaper being provided by the government than them paying directly though. Not everybody is rich...

Yes, because other people would be paying. Read again where I put POPULATION and not single person.

I haven't looked in to it at all, but it probably is cheaper for the majority of the population still. So yeah, still is cheaper for the population as a whole.



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DonFerrari said:
sethnintendo said:

With hidden pricing.  Amazing you don't know how much things cost till all is said and done.  This benefits the hospitals and pricing can vary widely between hospitals in the same area.

 

Here is a genius thought...  Why don't we make pricing more transparent and make hospitals produce a list and price of their procedures.  You know so the average citizen can maybe shop around for the best price for quality of service.  I mean we made fast food start listing calories of their meals so why not demand hospitals list prices.

There are several companies trying to compose lists and pricing such as Castlight health but that depends on if they team up with your employer.  Oh and if government backed out completely I would expect nothing but this shit show to continue.  We are dominated by only a few big companies when it comes to insurance.  You think they will all of sudden have a friendly competition and start lowering prices.  USA is full of monopolies now in every sector of business.

You know that cost structure is a sensitive information that basically defines if a company is competitive or not and that releasing that information is basically the destruction of a company? You already have the price they charge to decide if you want to pay or not and for publically traded companies you have their accountability release where you can see how much is their profit margins and verify if they are overcharging or just the cost itself is high.

 

So you are saying if they release their prices so people know how much they are expected to pay up front they will go under.  What if a fast food company ran its pricing like a hospital where you don't know until you get to the pay window.  So you order a meal thinking it will be 10 dollars and once you get to the window they want 100. 

Most people don't know how much they are going to pay for health service rendered unless they actively take charge and call offices asking them for their prices.  You can say well all people should do that.  Well what happens in an emergency where you either go or are taken to a random hospital.  You don't know shit for pricing if it is an emergency except you know for sure its at least 1,000 charge just to be omitted to the emergency room.