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Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Haha those were the days. When all the doom mongers thought ps4 wouldn't outsell vita or wii u. When they thought it couldn't even break 6m. It will be around 6M by years end alone lmao. 

Welcome back. Unfortunetly PS4 is tracking ahead of ps3 and it will extend it's lead by a lot this year and next. You should know by now to stop underestimating the PS4 :) 

Yes, but you also need to take in consideration that PS3 had very long life, PS4 will definitely get successor earlier than PS3 got successor, and PS4 is already around 3.5 years on Japanese market. It will be interesting to see if PS4 will hit 10m in any case.

 

 

 

DonFerrari said:

this won't get anywhere... percentages and statistics only matter when you want.

Considering its competitors PS4 is doing good not just okay. Context changed.

Percentages and statistics always matter (more or less). In this case tells us how much PS4 is popular in Japan compared to other markets.

What competitors!? Biggest Nintendo faile and worst selling Nintendo console ever (world wide not just in Japan, that actualy had 1/4 of all sales in Japan), or Xbox that was always failure in Japan!? Switch was launched and recently already outsold hole 1st PS4 year in Japan. 

 

DonFerrari said:

Very possible not to reach 10m, but it is still not bad. Context of the market.

Like myamoto bringing that it is struggling to outsell "the failure" PS3... that is near 90M sales of failure.

I never said that PS3 is failure, just worst selling Sony console, and that's of course fact.

You keep forgetting that the Switch is also a handheld. You think it's out of fun that Nintendo decided to get 1 system being their main revenue source as opposed to 2? They know very well that a console, even a Nintendo one, wouldn't do well in Japan. Also, since when having a huge chunk of your system sales in Japan a good thing? From where I'm sitting, if your system is selling disproportionately well in Japan as opposed to other larger market then that means that you need to work on your global appeal. Look at the 3DS, it sold more in Japan than the US. That doesn't sound right.



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Lawlight said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes, but you also need to take in consideration that PS3 had very long life, PS4 will definitely get successor earlier than PS3 got successor, and PS4 is already around 3.5 years on Japanese market. It will be interesting to see if PS4 will hit 10m in any case.

 

 

 

Percentages and statistics always matter (more or less). In this case tells us how much PS4 is popular in Japan compared to other markets.

What competitors!? Biggest Nintendo faile and worst selling Nintendo console ever (world wide not just in Japan, that actualy had 1/4 of all sales in Japan), or Xbox that was always failure in Japan!? Switch was launched and recently already outsold hole 1st PS4 year in Japan. 

 

I never said that PS3 is failure, just worst selling Sony console, and that's of course fact.

You keep forgetting that the Switch is also a handheld. You think it's out of fun that Nintendo decided to get 1 system being their main revenue source as opposed to 2? They know very well that a console, even a Nintendo one, wouldn't do well in Japan. Also, since when having a huge chunk of your system sales in Japan a good thing? From where I'm sitting, if your system is selling disproportionately well in Japan as opposed to other larger market then that means that you need to work on your global appeal. Look at the 3DS, it sold more in Japan than the US. That doesn't sound right.

No I don't, but you forgetting that's also a home console and that has home console price point. In any case, you missed point of my post.



Congrats! Hopefully it will reach 10m LT. Japan really needs Sony and Nintendo strong because it solely relies on them.



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Kerotan said:
Turkish said:
The most annoying thing about Japanese sales threads here and on gaf are the pessimists who never get tired of moaning week after week how bad the sales are. Japan has been declining like half a decade now, no need to shit on sales milestones you were ridiculing about not being possible. A few years ago the prevalent predictions were that PS4 would sell 5-6M tops in Japan.

Japanese home sales may never recover to Gen 5-6 levels and that's okay, as long as their devs make up for it with sales in Asia and the West, which they seem to be doing just that this gen.

Haha those were the days. When all the doom mongers thought ps4 wouldn't outsell vita or wii u. When they thought it couldn't even break 6m. It will be around 6M by years end alone lmao. 

kowenicki said:

I'll say the same.  The PS1 did 19m, PS2 23m and PS3 10.5m (i think).  I expect PS4 to fall short of 10m and so continue the downward trajectory.

Welcome back. Unfortunetly PS4 is tracking ahead of ps3 and it will extend it's lead by a lot this year and next. You should know by now to stop underestimating the PS4 :) 

The doom is still real. Those that said PS4 would sell max 5-6M lifetime have slowly moved the goalpost to "bbuu buuuut its nevur gonna outsell PS3!" (10M).



Miyamotoo said:
Lawlight said:

You keep forgetting that the Switch is also a handheld. You think it's out of fun that Nintendo decided to get 1 system being their main revenue source as opposed to 2? They know very well that a console, even a Nintendo one, wouldn't do well in Japan. Also, since when having a huge chunk of your system sales in Japan a good thing? From where I'm sitting, if your system is selling disproportionately well in Japan as opposed to other larger market then that means that you need to work on your global appeal. Look at the 3DS, it sold more in Japan than the US. That doesn't sound right.

No I don't, but you forgetting that's also a home console and that has home console price point. In any case, you missed point of my post.

Home console price point would have been $400 or more. The Switch is closer in price to the 3DS launch than the PS4 or XboxOne launch prices. And I didn't miss your point which was about how the percentage of sales that Japan represents is way down compared to previous gens.



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Turkish said:
Kerotan said:

Haha those were the days. When all the doom mongers thought ps4 wouldn't outsell vita or wii u. When they thought it couldn't even break 6m. It will be around 6M by years end alone lmao. 

Welcome back. Unfortunetly PS4 is tracking ahead of ps3 and it will extend it's lead by a lot this year and next. You should know by now to stop underestimating the PS4 :) 

The doom is still real. Those that said PS4 would sell max 5-6M lifetime have slowly moved the goalpost to "bbuu buuuut its nevur gonna outsell PS3!" (10M).

You cant relly blame people that thought PS4 will fail in Japan when needed almost hole year to hit 1st milion, and had worst 1st year for any hardware in Japan. But its good in any case that PS4 dindt failed and start selling better.

Race to 1 million: 

-GBA: 3 weeks

-NDS: 4 weeks

-PS2: 5 weeks

-WII: 6 weeks

-3DS: 13 weeks

-PSP: 14 weeks

-SWI: 17 weeks

-NGC: 17 weeks

-N64: 29 weeks

-PS1: more than 30 weeks

-WIU: 34 weeks

-PS3: 36 weeks

-PSV: 43 weeks

-DC: 45 weeks

-PS4: 49 weeks

 

We will see if PS4 will outsell PS3 at end.

 

 

 

Lawlight said:
Miyamotoo said:

No I don't, but you forgetting that's also a home console and that has home console price point. In any case, you missed point of my post.

Home console price point would have been $400 or more. The Switch is closer in price to the 3DS launch than the PS4 or XboxOne launch prices. And I didn't miss your point which was about how the percentage of sales that Japan represents is way down compared to previous gens.

I guess than Wii and Wii U were not home consoles!? :D  No, you clearly missed my point, when you mentioned Switch, and now you mention percentage.



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Haha those were the days. When all the doom mongers thought ps4 wouldn't outsell vita or wii u. When they thought it couldn't even break 6m. It will be around 6M by years end alone lmao. 

Welcome back. Unfortunetly PS4 is tracking ahead of ps3 and it will extend it's lead by a lot this year and next. You should know by now to stop underestimating the PS4 :) 

Yes, but you also need to take in consideration that PS3 had very long life, PS4 will definitely get successor earlier than PS3 got successor, and PS4 is already around 3.5 years on Japanese market. It will be interesting to see if PS4 will hit 10m in any case.

 

 

 

DonFerrari said:

this won't get anywhere... percentages and statistics only matter when you want.

Considering its competitors PS4 is doing good not just okay. Context changed.

Percentages and statistics always matter (more or less). In this case tells us how much PS4 is popular in Japan compared to other markets.

What competitors!? Biggest Nintendo faile and worst selling Nintendo console ever (world wide not just in Japan, that actualy had 1/4 of all sales in Japan), or Xbox that was always failure in Japan!? Switch was launched and recently already outsold hole 1st PS4 year in Japan. 

 

DonFerrari said:

Very possible not to reach 10m, but it is still not bad. Context of the market.

Like myamoto bringing that it is struggling to outsell "the failure" PS3... that is near 90M sales of failure.

I never said that PS3 is failure, just worst selling Sony console, and that's of course fact.

When your worst selling (in 3 products) is a success, selling as much as it is just ok because?

Just as I said, they just matter when they favor your argument. Xbox, X360 and X1 dminishing sales we ignore because Xbox doesn't exist in Japan for you. Wii to WiiU sales diminishing doesn't matter because 1/4 of WiiU sales were in Japan (that says much more to its global appeal than PS4 not doing good), it is much better to sell 5M in Japan and 65M WW than 3M in Japan and 12M and not the opposite. Each PS system became more WW oriented than the previous at the same time Japan market diminished. So you trying very hard to put it as "but it only sold as much as the worse selling PS (being that at the same time just one Nintendo console outsold ANY - even the worse and not by much - Sony console)" as something of minor importance considering all context show how much you are reaching

Miyamotoo said:
Turkish said:

The doom is still real. Those that said PS4 would sell max 5-6M lifetime have slowly moved the goalpost to "bbuu buuuut its nevur gonna outsell PS3!" (10M).

You cant relly blame people that thought PS4 will fail in Japan when needed almost hole year to hit 1st milion, and had worst 1st year for any hardware in Japan. But its good in any case that PS4 dindt failed and start selling better.

Race to 1 million: 

-GBA: 3 weeks

-NDS: 4 weeks

-PS2: 5 weeks

-WII: 6 weeks

-3DS: 13 weeks

-PSP: 14 weeks

-SWI: 17 weeks

-NGC: 17 weeks

-N64: 29 weeks

-PS1: more than 30 weeks

-WIU: 34 weeks

-PS3: 36 weeks

-PSV: 43 weeks

-DC: 45 weeks

-PS4: 49 weeks

 

We will see if PS4 will outsell PS3 at end.

 

 

 

Lawlight said:

Home console price point would have been $400 or more. The Switch is closer in price to the 3DS launch than the PS4 or XboxOne launch prices. And I didn't miss your point which was about how the percentage of sales that Japan represents is way down compared to previous gens.

I guess than Wii and Wii U were not home consoles!? :D  No, you clearly missed my point, when you mentioned Switch, and now you mention percentage.

And have WiiU still being in front of PS4 in Japan?

And you say they can't be faulted for the will never reach 5M, but then reaching 5M is just ok, not surprising? You can surely stick to a point.



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ps4 jap sales not good, no matter if you wear sony blinders to make it look positive

quick question everyone, how many million sellers in japan ps4 and wii u have



DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes, but you also need to take in consideration that PS3 had very long life, PS4 will definitely get successor earlier than PS3 got successor, and PS4 is already around 3.5 years on Japanese market. It will be interesting to see if PS4 will hit 10m in any case.

 

 

 

Percentages and statistics always matter (more or less). In this case tells us how much PS4 is popular in Japan compared to other markets.

What competitors!? Biggest Nintendo faile and worst selling Nintendo console ever (world wide not just in Japan, that actualy had 1/4 of all sales in Japan), or Xbox that was always failure in Japan!? Switch was launched and recently already outsold hole 1st PS4 year in Japan. 

 

I never said that PS3 is failure, just worst selling Sony console, and that's of course fact.

When your worst selling (in 3 products) is a success, selling as much as it is just ok because?

Just as I said, they just matter when they favor your argument. Xbox, X360 and X1 dminishing sales we ignore because Xbox doesn't exist in Japan for you. Wii to WiiU sales diminishing doesn't matter because 1/4 of WiiU sales were in Japan (that says much more to its global appeal than PS4 not doing good), it is much better to sell 5M in Japan and 65M WW than 3M in Japan and 12M and not the opposite. Each PS system became more WW oriented than the previous at the same time Japan market diminished. So you trying very hard to put it as "but it only sold as much as the worse selling PS (being that at the same time just one Nintendo console outsold ANY - even the worse and not by much - Sony console)" as something of minor importance considering all context show how much you are reaching

Miyamotoo said:

You cant relly blame people that thought PS4 will fail in Japan when needed almost hole year to hit 1st milion, and had worst 1st year for any hardware in Japan. But its good in any case that PS4 dindt failed and start selling better.

Race to 1 million: 

-GBA: 3 weeks

-NDS: 4 weeks

-PS2: 5 weeks

-WII: 6 weeks

-3DS: 13 weeks

-PSP: 14 weeks

-SWI: 17 weeks

-NGC: 17 weeks

-N64: 29 weeks

-PS1: more than 30 weeks

-WIU: 34 weeks

-PS3: 36 weeks

-PSV: 43 weeks

-DC: 45 weeks

-PS4: 49 weeks

 

We will see if PS4 will outsell PS3 at end.

 

 

 

I guess than Wii and Wii U were not home consoles!? :D  No, you clearly missed my point, when you mentioned Switch, and now you mention percentage.

And have WiiU still being in front of PS4 in Japan?

And you say they can't be faulted for the will never reach 5M, but then reaching 5M is just ok, not surprising? You can surely stick to a point.

"When your worst selling (in 3 products) is a success, selling as much as it is just ok because?

Just as I said, they just matter when they favor your argument. Xbox, X360 and X1 dminishing sales we ignore because Xbox doesn't exist in Japan for you. Wii to WiiU sales diminishing doesn't matter because 1/4 of WiiU sales were in Japan (that says much more to its global appeal than PS4 not doing good), it is much better to sell 5M in Japan and 65M WW than 3M in Japan and 12M and not the opposite. Each PS system became more WW oriented than the previous at the same time Japan market diminished. So you trying very hard to put it as "but it only sold as much as the worse selling PS (being that at the same time just one Nintendo console outsold ANY - even the worse and not by much - Sony console)" as something of minor importance considering all context show how much you are reaching"

 

Its OK, it's not big success, especially if that same console is selling tvice better than same that worst selling console on every other market.

Favour of my argument!? I relly dont understand what you try to say here, fact is that 3 Xbox consoles combined sold less than 4m in Japan, that's terrible. Wii U is worst selling Nintendo console ever and their biggest failure world wide not just in Japan, and thats also fact, nobady said difrent. I never said that PS4 is failure in Japan. I dont try at all, fact is that PS4 that is on patch to become second best selling console in world, is selling on pair with worst selling Sony console in Japan.

 

 

 

"And have WiiU still being in front of PS4 in Japan?

And you say they can't be faulted for the will never reach 5M, but then reaching 5M is just ok, not surprising? You can surely stick to a point."


I already stated, it's good that PS4 start selling better and that's not failure after terrible 1st year, but again its not like its selling like crazy in Japan, its have OK sales.



Gratz I guess. ZhugeEX on twitter has mentioned multiple times that console gaming in Japan is just not popular anymore. Publishers are more interested in looking at Asia as a whole rather than just Japan.I guess Japan numbers are down by a lot, but throughout Asia numbers are up.



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