mizzou_guy said:
Aeolus451 said:
The woman transitioned while on active duty and deployed. The guy didn't physically transition (his reasons, to stay in military/keep benefits) but socially transitioned outside of work, wearing guy clothes, acting like a guy and using a guy's name in public. His co-workers/bosses likely knew he was trans because of that but left it alone. I don't really call any of that hiding. You were wrong about your examples especially with the woman. *shrugs.
While I do agree that there's plenty who wanted to transition but hide it completely til they were out, there's likely plenty who later figured out they wanted to transition after they were out of the military. My point still stands.
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In the video, she says she was deployed in Afghanistan while on hormone therapy in the middle of her transition. She then says that word got out about her being transgender, command called her up, and Command asked her to retire. This certainly sounds like she was hiding her transgender identity at work somehow, even though she was going through hormone therapy. I don't know how, but if "word got out," then it doesn't sound like something she was declaring openly.
The guy says that he "hide in his true self" while at work and was miserable. It doesn't sound like he was likely out at work, as you think.
These two examples hold that there have been transgender individuals in the military for years. I'm not sure why you have such a nitpicky stance on only identifying them as so at certain points later and not conceding they were transgender while serving as they are identifying themselves as such.
I don't think I'm going to reply to this anymore, because going back and forth with you is like arguing with a wall. You're very quick to nitpick small falacies in everyone else's arguments, but you struggle to identify the same falacies in your own.
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You and the others haven't made any points with anything backing it to get me to concede on my main points. You're only using a handful of interviews with one or two trans people. They don't represent the whole of trans people in the miltary so you can't go by that. I'm not debating that there's not people in the military who are trans and hide it but I am debating that not even most people who were in the military and later identified as trans were trans while they were in the military.
Since this is your last response and the others have pretty much quieted down, this will be last one as well but I'll make my last point with why trans shouldn't be in the military as a whole.
The military denies everyone on a categorical level with certain ailments, birth defects, disorders, been on certain meds, etc regardless of who they are and trans should be no different in that regard. It should also be on that list. The reasons why is because of their higher chances of depression and suicide. A history of long lasting depression or bouts of it could easily be grounds for disqualification for enlistment in and of itself. Here's are some sources on their mental health.
This one is fairly obvious in what it's on but it talks the reasons why too. Sadly, it's gonna take time for society to get used to trans people and everyone is accepting of it. This one links some studies.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/transgender-people-more-likely-develop-depression-and-anxiety-247044
This is one is about a survey on the high suicide rate amoung trans in general. I don't really like surveys tbh.
https://www.livescience.com/11208-high-suicide-risk-prejudice-plague-transgender-people.html
This article just explains the findings of a study on suicide rates of trans vets. It's fairly interesting.
http://www.sciencecodex.com/are_transgender_veterans_at_greater_risk_of_suicide-147608
Here is a link to the website with the study itself. You'l have to download a pdf to look at the actual study though.
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/lgbt.2014.0050?journalCode=lgbt
Here's some examples of things that are disqualifiable, anyone who's flat-footed, can't join. Anyone who has a lot of acne that can't be treated or on certain acne meds can't join. If someone is diabetic, they can't join. If someone who'has been unconscious for 24 hours or longer regardless of the reason, they can't join. For some of the things on the list that are disqualifiable and some people, you can get a medical waiver to allow you to join but it's not easy to get one and it's a lengthy process. If people can't be let in for those things like this then trans definitely shouldn't be just on the mental health side.