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Evre Nintendo Switch game already passed 1m, and Zelda BotW and MK8D crazy attach rates (83% and 75%)

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Kai_Mao said:
JRPGfan said:
Reasons to buy a Switch?
Mario Kart & Zelda.

And Splatoon 2.

And ARMS  and Fire Emblem Warriors



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Rogerioandrade said:
Kai_Mao said:

And Splatoon 2.

And ARMS  and Fire Emblem Warriors

Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle ? I mean, it really does look like a great game and E3 really got people hyped for it.



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leedlelee said:
I apologize for being late to the party, but am I reading this correctly???
Sold not shipped???

They're shipped numbers. Arms is clearly overshipped as we have actual numbers from NA and Japan.



Darashiva said:
It's certainly impressive, but not really all that surprising. BotW and MK8 are still essentially the only real system sellers on the Switch, and most people buy the system on their strength alone at this point.

Yeah, there's not much of a choice once you own a Switch when it comes to library.



leedlelee said:
I apologize for being late to the party, but am I reading this correctly???
Sold not shipped???

Seems like it.If it were shipped it would be stated as such, and people would say as such, especially people that are not fans of Nintendo



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Lawlight said:
leedlelee said:
I apologize for being late to the party, but am I reading this correctly???
Sold not shipped???

They're shipped numbers. Arms is clearly overshipped as we have actual numbers from NA and Japan.

Thats another whole level of denial.A number cant be more precise and final than official numbers, which is what they are when they come from Nintendo.NPD and Media Create numbers are, in the end, estimations, which not always include digital(Media Create never includes digital).



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Honestly 83% for Zelda seems kind of low ...

I think some people simply prefer stuff like Mario and Splatoon. Maybe BotW doesn't fit their groove



Nautilus said:
Lawlight said:

They're shipped numbers. Arms is clearly overshipped as we have actual numbers from NA and Japan.

Thats another whole level of denial.A number cant be more precise and final than official numbers, which is what they are when they come from Nintendo.NPD and Media Create numbers are, in the end, estimations, which not always include digital(Media Create never includes digital).

NPD and Media Create use sell-through numbers, not sell-in. While I agree that as a general rule of thumb, shipped numbers are used, in this case, we know the sold through numbers and it is way lower than the shipped numbers. And fairly sure media create counts download carts. Even being optimistic about digital would not get you close to 1.2M.



Lawlight said:
Nautilus said:

Thats another whole level of denial.A number cant be more precise and final than official numbers, which is what they are when they come from Nintendo.NPD and Media Create numbers are, in the end, estimations, which not always include digital(Media Create never includes digital).

NPD and Media Create use sell-through numbers, not sell-in. While I agree that as a general rule of thumb, shipped numbers are used, in this case, we know the sold through numbers and it is way lower than the shipped numbers. And fairly sure media create counts download carts. Even being optimistic about digital would not get you close to 1.2M.

I dont know how NPD really operates(but even not knowing that, they still work with aproximations and estimates), but for Media Create it is still an estimation.It is simply impossible to count every single game sold through stores, since they dont have direct acess to that data, something that the company that made the game has(read:Nintendo), and thus they make estimates based on data that they receive through whatever method they use, and make a very educated "guess" about the final sale(Its not really a guess since they probably have very precise formulas to calculate the sales, and they must have different and reliable sources for their data).But no matter as reliable as those number usually are, at the end of the day theyy are still guesses.Thats why you see differences in the numbers betwenn the different companies, such as the differences betwenn Media Create and Famitsu, which sometimes are rather big.And Famitsu counts download carts, but they are also estimates.

Reading through parts of the earnings release, they dont state if its sold-through, or sold in.But, even if it is shipped, the shipped in number is never really much off the sold through number.Assuming it is indeed shipped, from that 1.18 million units sold, I think its safe to assume that the sold-through number should at least be 1 million.As I said prior, Media Create and NPD are estimations at the end of the day, so there is always a margin of error, and digital sales are more important than ever nowadays, sometimes grabbing around 20% of the total software related sales.So basing your guess on only the NPD and Media Create numbers, and not only forgetting that Europe may very well make up for that difference and that the game may have a higher than normal number of digital sales, not to mention worldwide sales, is ridiculous when Nintendo itself are saying that the sales for the game are great.



Nautilus said:
Lawlight said:

NPD and Media Create use sell-through numbers, not sell-in. While I agree that as a general rule of thumb, shipped numbers are used, in this case, we know the sold through numbers and it is way lower than the shipped numbers. And fairly sure media create counts download carts. Even being optimistic about digital would not get you close to 1.2M.

I dont know how NPD really operates(but even not knowing that, they still work with aproximations and estimates), but for Media Create it is still an estimation.It is simply impossible to count every single game sold through stores, since they dont have direct acess to that data, something that the company that made the game has(read:Nintendo), and thus they make estimates based on data that they receive through whatever method they use, and make a very educated "guess" about the final sale(Its not really a guess since they probably have very precise formulas to calculate the sales, and they must have different and reliable sources for their data).But no matter as reliable as those number usually are, at the end of the day theyy are still guesses.Thats why you see differences in the numbers betwenn the different companies, such as the differences betwenn Media Create and Famitsu, which sometimes are rather big.And Famitsu counts download carts, but they are also estimates.

Reading through parts of the earnings release, they dont state if its sold-through, or sold in.But, even if it is shipped, the shipped in number is never really much off the sold through number.Assuming it is indeed shipped, from that 1.18 million units sold, I think its safe to assume that the sold-through number should at least be 1 million.As I said prior, Media Create and NPD are estimations at the end of the day, so there is always a margin of error, and digital sales are more important than ever nowadays, sometimes grabbing around 20% of the total software related sales.So basing your guess on only the NPD and Media Create numbers, and not only forgetting that Europe may very well make up for that difference and that the game may have a higher than normal number of digital sales, not to mention worldwide sales, is ridiculous when Nintendo itself are saying that the sales for the game are great.

Earnings will always include shipped numbers, always. And sold in numbers can be very different from sell-through numbers. Copies can be sitting in shelves. And the estimates are never so far off from actual numbers that we can't use them as actual numbers - even Nintendo uses Media Create numbers.

As for 20% digital, even being optimistic and saying that digital accounts of 20% of Arms sales, you'd still be far off that 1.2M number.