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LethalP said:

As we know MS has drifted away from traditional exclusives on console in favor of service exclusives, UWP being their service. However, I am still in favor of keeping games exclusive to a console for having a reason to buy it sort of thing. Though I do think MS have one thing right, and that's building up their ecosystem, mainly with backwards compatapility.

While it's true not everyone cares about this feature, it's more of a long term plan. They are growing closer and closer to having all the best 360 games playable on Xbox One, and soon probably the rest of UWP where ever it may end up. And not only can you insert your 360 discs but they are also on Xbox live and purchaseable with their achievements in tact. This is building a massive library to boot and as a result they have a massive head start on Sony.

Imagine if Sony took to bringing PS3/PS2/PS1 BC to PS4 with every game worth their salt on the PSN Store. Not even bringing it to PC, but exclusive to Playstation hardware. It would be their own way of competeing with not only UWP, but Steam, with the added advantage of needing their hardware to access this vast library. This would give PC's a run for their money too since there's a whole lot of games on Playstation consoles over the years that aren't on PC. If I want to play a game like Klonoa on my PS4 I can just download it and do so, or Pandemonium, Xenogears. Some of these could rake up 100's of thousands of sales each. And they could carry over for good since everything Playstation going forward will be X86, same with MS.

What do you think? Should Sony be focusing on an ecosystem instead of resetting their library every generation, falling behind the competiton in choice?

You forgot 1 fundamental thing that changes everything: people buy new consoles to play new games. If MS was right about anything, Xbone S would outsell PS4 thanks to its BC library, but it's getting beaten badly even in America. PS4 almost sold 400k last month in the US, Xbone about 150k. BC does nothing. It makes a lot of noise on hardcore forums but the mass market doesn't care for it.

BC is nice to have and thanks to the architecture PS5 will likely have PS4 BC, but it's not a necessity for Sony to dominate another gen.

In my opinion BC has been a waste of MS' time, BC only mattered when going from SD to the HD era, but PS360 are both HD. "but better performance", yeah I rather have remasters with better everything than a stable 30 fps.



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One problem I couldn't give a flying fuck about old games on my shiny new PS4 pro especially if I played them already. If I look at my PS4 collection I have 2 or 3 remakes and 15 new games. 2 of those remasters are Ratchet and Clank and Wipeout omega which are far superior to their originals. I think 85% of the people buy a new system for new games not to play old ones all over again. The only moment BC is really attractive is when you are to poor to buy new games or when there's a lack of new games.



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Turkish said:
LethalP said:

As we know MS has drifted away from traditional exclusives on console in favor of service exclusives, UWP being their service. However, I am still in favor of keeping games exclusive to a console for having a reason to buy it sort of thing. Though I do think MS have one thing right, and that's building up their ecosystem, mainly with backwards compatapility.

While it's true not everyone cares about this feature, it's more of a long term plan. They are growing closer and closer to having all the best 360 games playable on Xbox One, and soon probably the rest of UWP where ever it may end up. And not only can you insert your 360 discs but they are also on Xbox live and purchaseable with their achievements in tact. This is building a massive library to boot and as a result they have a massive head start on Sony.

Imagine if Sony took to bringing PS3/PS2/PS1 BC to PS4 with every game worth their salt on the PSN Store. Not even bringing it to PC, but exclusive to Playstation hardware. It would be their own way of competeing with not only UWP, but Steam, with the added advantage of needing their hardware to access this vast library. This would give PC's a run for their money too since there's a whole lot of games on Playstation consoles over the years that aren't on PC. If I want to play a game like Klonoa on my PS4 I can just download it and do so, or Pandemonium, Xenogears. Some of these could rake up 100's of thousands of sales each. And they could carry over for good since everything Playstation going forward will be X86, same with MS.

What do you think? Should Sony be focusing on an ecosystem instead of resetting their library every generation, falling behind the competiton in choice?

You forgot 1 fundamental thing that changes everything: people buy new consoles to play new games. If MS was right about anything, Xbone S would outsell PS4 thanks to its BC library, but it's getting beaten badly even in America. PS4 almost sold 400k last month in the US, Xbone about 150k. BC does nothing. It makes a lot of noise on hardcore forums but the mass market doesn't care for it.

BC is nice to have and thanks to the architecture PS5 will likely have PS4 BC, but it's not a necessity for Sony to dominate another gen.

In my opinion BC has been a waste of MS' time, BC only mattered when going from SD to the HD era, but PS360 are both HD. "but better performance", yeah I rather have remasters with better everything than a stable 30 fps.

I've stated my stance somewhere in the thread, but let me get this straight, I know PS4 is winning, I know it's bringing more games and has a much brighter future when it comes to games going forward, and that is the primary focus all gaming companies should have. But this isn't just a case of PS4 being backwards compatible, it's the case of all Playstation consoles going forward having access to the lexicon of games that Playstation has had to offer since it's inception. Why is that something to be at odds with?

It isn't about the PS4 vs Xbox One, it's about Sony and MS preserving their libraries but then I get some angry fanboys saying how irrelevant that is because their company of choice isn't doing it, and how new games are all that matters.

I could care less about the buisness end of things, what makes Sony money or their consoles sell means nothing to me. I just think it would be cool to have Playstations classic games available under PSN. Xbox Live now has most of the best 360 games available for download in it's ecosystem, and that's a hell of a good start. I suppose I could just emulate PS1 and PS2 on my PC, but this would be a good way of doing it legitimately. We are talking a library of thousands of PS games from 1994 to 2017 available under 1 roof, and all fanboys seem to care about is damage controlling for Sony as to why this isn't logical or feasible. That's called being a shill.



Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

I don't like throwaway culture.

Old games are amazing  .

And I don't like the hoarding culture. Most old games aren't very playable these days. There are a few timeless classics but most have aged poorly.



Lawlight said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

I don't like throwaway culture.

Old games are amazing  .

And I don't like the hoarding culture. Most old games aren't very playable these days. There are a few timeless classics but most have aged poorly.

So you don't need backward compatibility ?



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Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Lawlight said:

And I don't like the hoarding culture. Most old games aren't very playable these days. There are a few timeless classics but most have aged poorly.

So you don't need backward compatibility ?

It's a nice bonus, but like others have said: new consoles are bought to play new games. Unless you are limited for hardware or TV space, there is no need to get rid of your old systems,either. I still have my PS3 connected.



 

In my opinion it's a distraction....

 

Microsoft is trying to influence the console realm to have synergy to PC. They better keep their vision to themselves because they've done little for gaming besides bringing the PC model to the console market. It's smart for them... especially as the younger generations grow up not caring about console identity and exclusives. They were never good at that anyway so all they have to do is ride it out.

 

Backwards compatiiity should be a common thing, but traditional console devs like Sony and Nintendo see too much profit in rereleases. They have the catalogue to pull it off. Micorsoft does not.

 

if Sony and nintnedo did backwards compatibility the Xbox ones bc would pale in comparison. Their generational exclusive library was never that great save for acquisitions. If Microsoft cannot manage to make their time in the console realm be meaningful they should do to the Xbox one what they did with the zune.



I'm looking forward to the day when all you need is a single platform to play all games (a man can dream, right?). Xbox is closest we have to that right now.



Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Lawlight said:

And I don't like the hoarding culture. Most old games aren't very playable these days. There are a few timeless classics but most have aged poorly.

So you don't need backward compatibility ?

Not really. I didn't throw out my PS3 when I got my PS4 so I can still play my PS3 games. Once I finish a game, I don't go back to replay it without some added content. And I don't think I've ever used BC on my PS2 or PS3.



Im happy that my xbox one games will run on very other xbox in the next coming years and its great that people can play tpgethter in Gears 4 and horizon 3 (Pc & Xbox)