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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Xbox division NOT investing more in first party games: Insider (rumor)

 

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Boo! 169 51.68%
 
They are doing the right ... 25 7.65%
 
I really don't care 116 35.47%
 
Other 17 5.20%
 
Total:327

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lol it's Matt from GAF.

Might as well quote ethomaz from GAF and make an article about something he says.



Cant say I remember well what spencer said, But I do believe he said only increase first party output or invest more in it. At no point do I recall him saying it was for the x1. We might not see any of that untill next gen, so they have basically decided to just ride out this gen.



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Hiku said:
NawaiNey said:

So you think someone who tells a blatant lie about a game he's about to cancel in two weeks (instead of stayinf quiet, or responding with "no comment) can be trusted about something as vague as "we're increasing investment in the future". Seriously?

This isn't about Spencer's credibility in general, as if the subject doesn't matter.
If you're asking me if he can be trusted about this particular comment, I have more reason to believe it than distrust it.

That "blatant lie" you're refering to is standard industry PR. A few months before Majora's Mask 3D was released, Miyamoto said they had "no plans" for a 3DS remake at the time. They're not supposed to reveal game announcements or cancelations in random interviews ahead of time. They are instructed to give no new or definitive info in those situations. Some people call them liars. I just call it standard PR.
Those kind of comments can never be trusted. Doesn't matter who it is. Which is why I said this isn't a Spencer thing.

What he said about increased funding is different however. He said it spontaneously (wasn't specifically asked about it) and it does reveal previously unknown info. So this doesn't fall under the same category as replying to questions about game development.

Dude, this is even more of a PR statement, and something for which he has to show absolutely no results as it's an extremely vague statement.

If a guy can literally go on record and say a game is coming along fine when he knows it's not, then he can sure as hall go "you want more games? oh we're increasing investment in more games..." This is a lie that has absolutely no repercussions, since we would never know what "more investment" entails. 



I'm more surprised that an actual Xbox fan is calling out MS for their lack of first party support. The majority of XOne fans here either don't care, or try to downplay the situation.



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Matt is a game developer FYI.



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Hiku said:
NawaiNey said:

Dude, this is even more of a PR statement, and something for which he has to show absolutely no results as it's an extremely vague statement.

If a guy can literally go on record and say a game is coming along fine when he knows it's not, then he can sure as hall go "you want more games? oh we're increasing investment in more games..." This is a lie that has absolutely no repercussions, since we would never know what "more investment" entails. 

How this is more of a PR statement?
The Scalebound comment is the standard reply to the question. The later isn't. That would be something like "We're still very dedicated to our first party output, and will work even harder to ensure that our players are satisfied." That would be ambigous.
But he went beyond the scope of the question and specifically added that they've increased funding as well. Like you said, there's no certain way to quantify that, but Microsoft is naturally aware of that as well. But in saying that, they willingly raised expectations on themselves. Whether it will show in the number of first party games they have for next year or in some other way, people will still look for it now. They certainly can't release less first party games next year after saying that, so that comment painted them into a corner in some regards. Which is why I don't think he would be that specific if there were no actual plans for it at the time.

This is different from the Scalebounds reply he gave, because he had to say that. If he had said anything else, headlines would be made speculating the cancelation of the game. And the Xbox division had decided on a certain date before they wanted that to circulate in the media.

The reason he can say something fales about game development is the same reason any other developer or representative can do the same. Because they've done this for decades. And those who understand how PR works will understand that they were not allowed to indicate anyt new developments at the time.
By your definition, we can't trust anything anyone in the industry says, because if they were asked about a game they're not supposed to reveal new developments about, they would have to lie. But I don't think that's entierly true. I look at the context of what is said, and rather than dismiss everything as a lie, I can consider some things more likely than others, and some things less likely than others.
Calling them liars is redundant.

First of all, the scalebound thing he tweeted on TWITTER, There's people asking questions on Twitter constantly and 99% of them never get acknowleged. Phil went out of his way to lie about the status of the game there, he wasn't put on the spot in middle of a live interview.

Also MS is perfectly fine with raising expectations for some cheap hype that's going to blow up in their face later on. Just take the whole way they decided to market XB1X for instance. They deliberately chose the term "True 4K" to deliberately give people the expectations that they will be getting Native 4K games when they buy this console, then gave their definition of "True 4K" on their xbox page as encompassing "Native. Dynamic and Checkerboard 4K", They know damn well as do we all that only a handful of games will every hit native 4K on the console and the vast majority will be checkerboard 4k or use dynamic resolution. But most people hearing that buzzword "True 4K" are expecting Native 4K for most if not all games and when these games start coming out there's going to be articles written day in and day out about how this and that game isn't native 4k, and then MS will be pointing to that one page no one read which states how True 4K didn't mean Native, and the fanboys will be crying about how media is trying to kill xbox. 



I hope it's not true. This is pretty much the same as exiting the market.



Newsflash: with 1/2 the console base, MS isn't going to do much better than 1/2 of Sony's output.



Not surprised at all. They might try to hold off that investment for next gen.