well a poor person who knew how to manage money would not be poor.


i can see where he going with this. hopefully it isn't someone born into a rich family but someone who has demonstrated a history that they know what to do with money.

I didn't say that, I only argued that there exists a strong correlation between what school you attended to with respect to intelligence ... 

Well they wouldn't struggle so much if they made these poor decisions such as having a child with minimum wage jobs ... 

Poor life decisions = Poor financial decisions ... 

But at the same time there's no point in arguing those who are already prejudgemental against one's views ... 

I can obviously tell that StarOcean shows NOTHING other than hatred (I think it's for real) towards me since he probably thinks that I'm a racist (his ban hammer almost proves it) for me playing with possibilities on a valid data set and the fact that he threatened every racist out there with some pretty horrid shit and therefore by extension threatening my livelihood too in the process but enough on this since this is going off topic ... 

So if a kid grew up in a poor family. And because of the lack of money to get out of it, got stuck. They automatically can't handle money? Even when they themselves haven't gotten the chance to prove they can or can't handle it in the first place. 

That's an idiotic way of thinking. This system called capitalism was built for the rich. Most rich people are not rich because they made awesome life decisions but because they have dynasties that built their wealth for them. Everyone is not Bill Gates if they were we would have a much better world. I am saying the rich most of them are close to Drumpf then Gates. And on that subject the system is rigged against the poor. The poor get no defense whatsoever. They can't get banks to give them accounts they can't get insurance or cars because they have no bank account. Even if they work day and night they get beaten up by the system and small mistakes which rich idiots get away with by a slap on the wrist make them end up in jail. Even in jail when they get out they are charged for it which is silly I know but private prisons. Then when of course they can't pay for it they end up in jail because they couldn't pay for it. They can't get credit because of lack of money and they can't get jobs because of no credit and they can't get money because of no jobs. So its a vicious cycle

 On the other hand the stupid sons of rich men get richer by corruption and using the system that was built for them. Capitalism is proving to be quite a failure because it destroys any real middle class and people are either wya more rich then they deserve or need to be while most are way more poor then they deserve or need to be. Its not like a poor person is just sitting on his ass all the time. They work twice as hard twice as much just to survive. If you get stuck in that rabbit hole of actual poor people you will be stuck in a spiral very very very few can escape and that with luck skill has nothing to do with it most of the time

Did anyone actually watch the video. First it slants that a rich person gains nothing by taking on the positions within government. Of course this is false because there are very many rich people who are in office from the Senate to the House who are million and billionaires. One thing for sure is that when legislation is put into place you have to see what companies these people are actually a part of or who is funding their campaigns.

You have to love how Trump tries to paint a picture that these Rich people will make sure those bad people in the world will not exploit us as if people who are not Rich is included. When a rich person looks like they are sacrificing for the public good, you first need to look deeper then the surface. Once you find out how they really make their money, then you see being a CEO of a company is nothing compared to being on the board of huge companies dictating legislation so that those companies can continue to make huge profits.

Anyway people need to always look deeper than the surface. That speech from Trump is like all of his speeches. I am doing this for you which means me and my boys but who knows, maybe you get a scrap from the table when we throw it down after we are done.

Trump is rich because his daddy was rich. With his intelligence, the man would have been flipping burgers for a living.

Trump's a moron.  Well, more likely he's just manipulative in this case. A rich person doesn't take a job in government "making peanuts" because they want to help America. They take the job so they can rig the system from the inside to work for them and other rich people.

If a kid grew up in a poor family but had drive and motivation, there is nothing preventing them from succeeding academically in school and pushing toward a full free ride at university. As some others are so strong to point out, monetary background does not equate to intelligence. I am poised to jump into middle class from a poor low class family for instance and am going to do so without even going to college, so it's absolutely possible. Still young too, lower upper class might be on the cards if I could pushing my career in a certain direction.

Also, median wage for an economist in America is 100k a year. That career path all but garuntees that you're lower upper class at worst. So whether people want to twist it or not, anyone hiring an economist would be hiring someone that's relatively rich either way.

I guess what I mean is, you can have someone be intelligent and good with money but be poor. Usually in that case it's because the individual lacks motivation. Critical thinkers are in sharp demand as far as I can see so if someone's got a good head on their shoulder and still has nothing really to show for it, then they lack the drive to succeed (because if you really try, you can succeed at almost anything with the tools available today) and at that point you need to stop blaming the system and start looking at what you're doing wrong. In relation to someone deciding economic policy for the country? No government in its right mind wouldn't choose the sharpest, smartest person they could find for that field. You can also bet that person already has a strong established career or some sort of reason that makes them stand out in a country of 300 million+.That person would already have to be getting paid, and if we look at the average salary of an economist in the country, that person would likely already be semi rich and breathing the lower upper class wall.

Trump is not elegant with words, but I understand that they aren't going to hire a poor unmotivated person for such an important job when any person born into a poor home will have used all that intelligence to launch themselves out of such a condition.

Yer but your assuming when I say Rich I am talking about only Billionares. Anyone who started with nothing and was able to move up to top 20% wealth bracket in a country can consider themself Rich in their own right. They demonstratwd the avbilty to get out of shit and make something of their life.

The stuff you describe sounds liek America is broken. here is Aus anyone who tries hard enough can become something. I started out with nothing as did my brother. We both went to the same school and yet I applied myself and managed the money I had and he did not. He wanted to be a floater in life. My networth is probably 20x his and yet we both had the same equal opportunities.  I have no sympathy for peopel who cry it is too hard. Offcourse it is hard, sacrifies have to be made, to jump up a class or two.

Nah I am not American and from the research I have done america seems to be broken. What I am trying to say is the richest people don't deserve what they have nor do the poorest person. It's like this you think you are poor as hell and it might seem like it but even when you were kids or my father and his brothers were kids, you all still were richer than a hell of a lot of people and that might be surprising to you. You might think you were in the lower class but actually you were in the lower middle class and you like my father and his brothers crawled your way to upper middle class while your brother is still in that lower middle class bracket. You see the upper class which I was referring to as rich are few in number and exceeds even the upper middle class by a huge margin. While the poor I.e lower class are very very poor its hard to imagine that level of poverty and they areanu compared to the rich but the middle class is where most people dwell and it has a wide range that's why its the only class with sub classes. The poor I talk about are imagine you are born to a homeless person with no money not for books or food. You go to school but like most people you are not that smart to get scholarships you try really hard but have no way of continuing the ridiculously expensive education. So in that sort do scenario. Rich or poor is a two word group but the three class system is a better description than that. My final point being you are never always rich because you tried hard or worked for it in any way and you are never always poor because you didn't try hard enough or didn't work for it. The system facilitates some people while it demolishes others. And to your point USA is one of the purest capitalist states in the world. Your Australian healthcare for example is socialist. So the right balance of things is the answer not like america which has a shit ton of money as a nation but record homelessness poor and expensive as hell healthcare not very good education among other things like the middle class stretching either way and this a dwindling middle class. Not just the people but the state has to work for it if they want to end poverty