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Pemalite said:

Wealth is all relative.

We would look stupidly rich compared to someone in Africa living on less than a dollar a day, I probably look extremely wealthy next to some forum posters.

I think the important take away is that wealth doesn't equate to intelligence.
There are a ton of multi-billionaires who are wealthy due to circumstance rather than actually had made good investments or worked hard for it.

Yet a parent who is working on the (bullshit) $7 an hour minimum US wage and still manages to pay all their bills, feed their children... Are probably far more thrifty with money than someone born into privileged circumstance.

What Trump should do is appoint people based on merit, not on wealth. He should have drained the swamp, not filled it up twice as high with sharks.

Not if we're talking about monetary wealth that is ... 

Wealth may not equate to intelligence but there's an undeniably pretty damn good correlation if we check out this study from Duke University (a very reputable institution) that 45% of the billionaires attended schools which required standardized test scores that were in the one percentile. That means if we extrapolate from the SAT scores then the vast majority of the 45% of the billionaires have an IQ of at least over 120 ... 

Sure there exists billionaires who got rich due to other circumstances but that doesn't discount the fact that 87% either created it entirely or reinvested the inherited wealth ... 

People forget that wealth is *only* a temporary status and not a permanent one so the less fortunate without even being considerate show ire in the form of jealousy instead of improving upon themselves when billionaires don't get to enjoy their status for very long ... (Billionaires have an average age of 63 so we should let them enjoy what little life they have left to offer them rather than demonize them.) 

I doubt those 'thrifty' with money would be working for $7.25/hr or have children ... (The latter is especially destructive to wealth growth in addition to dealing to getting minimum wage.) 

@Bold One does not exclude the other ... 

Pemalite said:

I often get meaningul conversation out of him.

Just because I may not agree with allot of his perspectives, doesn't mean I should avoid coercing with him.

Meh, let him bad mouth me ... 

I find his idealism more grotesque than naive. His protests are specifically the reason why I got moderated for hinting a possibly valid observation that quite a few would find offensive LOL ... 



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Ka-pi96 said:
Doesn't everybody though?

Well, prefer in which way? Obviously I don't want to be poor, but I don't prefer rich people.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
deskpro2k3 said:
No, this cannot be justified at all. No matter how many income a person got, they should not be hired if they lack the knowledge, and qualifications for the job.

But he didn't say anything about how a person should be hired for being rich even if they don't have knowledge or qualifications, you're putting words into his mouth. Of course who Trump endorses in his mind does have qualifications, otherwise he wouldn't endorse them. And if he did say that ... 

it would be 

 

REALLY 

 

ironic

 

Are you joking? This is a joke right?



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Are there even poor possibilities for a job such as that? Politicians certainly aren't poor and I don't think any regular ole poor person would be able to "apply" for a position such as this.

Stupid statement and stupid intent. But not surprising.



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People in here have taken this the wrong way. A poor person incharge of the economy or a rich person? Well one is poor and one is rich for a reason (depending on if the rich person wasn't rich due to hand me downs)
I am not American or follow Trump but come on people. Please read into it more than just splashing conclusions everywhere. The hate and grudges are strong here.



Azzanation said:
People in here have taken this the wrong way. A poor person incharge of the economy or a rich person? Well one is poor and one is rich for a reason (depending on if the rich person wasn't rich due to hand me downs)
I am not American or follow Trump but come on people. Please read into it more than just splashing conclusions everywhere. The hate and grudges are strong here.

You should take a look at his cabinet picks lol



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deskpro2k3 said:
Azzanation said:
People in here have taken this the wrong way. A poor person incharge of the economy or a rich person? Well one is poor and one is rich for a reason (depending on if the rich person wasn't rich due to hand me downs)
I am not American or follow Trump but come on people. Please read into it more than just splashing conclusions everywhere. The hate and grudges are strong here.

You should take a look at his cabinet picks lol

I really dont give a damn about Trump and his Picks sorry. I am just stating the misinformed on this topic. Nothing new for me i guess. I should be use to it by now.



Slownenberg said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I mean I don't think Trump is qualified and i'm not really defending him - but let's be real here, we're looking at this from a very theotretical level if we're saying it's not the same logic. Everyone in politics is rich, you'd have to screw things up majorly to be poor in which case you aren't entailed to lead the economy. Now if we live in a theoretical world where everyone gets the same chance no matter how rich they are in a political system - sure! You can absolutely be smart enough to run an economy and be poor. But it's just more of a risk or liability to bet it on someone who's not in good financial status in the real world at least. If we're talking theoretical worlds, then it's a whole other story. 

It sucks because I really do believe in the idea that people can do anything as long as they're qualified, but I think people would be weary to have a person in poor financial status lead an economy, just like people were rightfully worried about a President who's only qualification was buisnesss ventures that often failed, leading a country. Also, it's kind of assumed if you can lead an entire economy, that you can probably become rich no matter your upbringing.

Too be fair though, this guy says so many dumb stuff, and this clip is like 2 minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if it went past the clip. I'm just going off the video.

Not talking theoretically at all. I don't think anyone takes Trump's use of "poor" to be people who are actually legitimately poor. I mean a poor person would never have the opportunity to even be considered for a top government position. In the context he was using the word poor he obviously simply meant not rich. Because Trump has been rich since birth, so he considers anyone who doesn't have millions of dollars to be poor. Trump's "poor" person here could be a highly educated person who actually has the knowledge and experience to do the job, but oh they only make say $150k a year and aren't worth tens of millions so to Trump they are poor and Trump obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone unless they are rich so to him anyone who isn't rich has no worth, and therefore would not be worthy of a top government position, which is why he filled his cabinet with incompetant billionaires, because to him the only worth of a person is their net worth.

Obviously he's not gonna say all that. He's trying to defend his decisions of only hiring rich people, so he makes it out like the only other option would be to hire poor people, with no other options in between. You can also look at it as he was using the word poor to be extreme in order to try to convince people of his point but only offering a throw away option as the only alternative to his rich person idea, as in who would you rather have running the economy, someone who's dealt with a lot of money in their personal life because they are rich or a poor person who can't pay their bills.

If he was being realistic, he would have said who would you rather have running the economy, some know-nothing rich person who doesn't have a clue but has money so i picked them, or a highly educated and experienced person who is capable of the job, regardless of how much money they have because that has nothing to do with being able to run the economy. Then his "rich person" looks a lot shittier. But obviously he's gonna frame it in a way so that his stupid picks look better by offering up the only alternative as a poor person which as you pointed out, makes one think of not in good financial status.

To Trump money is the measure of a man's worth, nothing else. That is all his statement means. Which is why this statement caused an uproar. It was very obvious he was saying money, not merit, is what gets people positions in his adminisitration. But that was already clear if you look at his cabinet, he stocked it full of millionairies and billionaires that have no business running the country.

You are really taking your interpretation of what he said extremely hard. Again, someone who makes 150k wouldn't be on his radar, but I really don't think that's who he was addressing. He was clearly talking about people who were literally poor, not people who make a decent amount of money. You're taking your own interpretation and saying "that's obviously what he meant" but it really doesn't seem that way at all. Trump is an elitist asshole, but he clearly did not mean it the way you said it. He was using poor people, and stereotyping it as people who can't handle their money. And again, we as humans know that money does not equate to intelligence, but realistically a person who can run an economy could most likely get out of hardships themselves.

Also, why would he say that? That entire sentence would be completely contrarian to his campaign run. If Trump said something that reasonable, democrats would use it against him because it would literally contradict him running. 



aLkaLiNE said:

I'm not nitpicking. You're the one breaking my arguement up into multiple separate points when it's all supposed to contextually work together. Either way though, if you have to use such an extreme example to illustrate your point, then I feel that your arguement isn't very strong to begin with. And I'll leave it at that so that you don't have to waste an inordinate amount of time responding.

Breaking down posts is something I do in general as it allows me to make a more focused reply. - Surely you have taken note of how I have formatted my replies after all these years on VGChartz?
It was staying within the context of you picking out my examples.

fatslob-:O said:

Wealth may not equate to intelligence but there's an undeniably pretty damn good correlation if we check out this study from Duke University (a very reputable institution) that 45% of the billionaires attended schools which required standardized test scores that were in the one percentile. That means if we extrapolate from the SAT scores then the vast majority of the 45% of the billionaires have an IQ of at least over 120 ...

Education doesn't always equate to intelligence either.
Those who are more driven typically punch above their weight in education/tests regardless of their intelligence levels.

fatslob-:O said:

I doubt those 'thrifty' with money would be working for $7.25/hr or have children ... (The latter is especially destructive to wealth growth in addition to dealing to getting minimum wage.)

But those people do exist and do struggle escaping from their situation...

fatslob-:O said:

@Bold One does not exclude the other ...

You are right, it doesn't. But appointing people based on merit should trump those appointed based on wealth.

fatslob-:O said:

Meh, let him bad mouth me ... 

I find his idealism more grotesque than naive. His protests are specifically the reason why I got moderated for hinting a possibly valid observation that quite a few would find offensive LOL ...

Those who use Ad-Hominem as a basis for their argument don't have an argument.



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