Nem said:
See, that doesn't make sense. If every vote is equal no group will have a bigger weight. They will have the same weight. But above all, they are all american's right? Why are you considering these groups above beeing americans? It makes no sense to me. That's what old monarchies and dictatorships do. You have special groups that hold more power in those systems and their voice carries more weight than the average people. Out of principle i disagree with that. Equality is the principle of true democracy.
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That's simply not true, if all vote were equal the citizens in the state of California would have more say than they do now and smaller states such as the state of Wyoming, Alaska, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, Delaware, Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii and Idaho ...
These are not special groups mind you, the United States of America is a federal 'union' formed between different states. The United States of America is not a 'unitary' state ...
If the founding fathers with their wisdom foresaw that true democracy is foolish then so is the idea of equality and I wouldn't want it any other way if it meant keeping all of the other checks and balances we have such as the senate, filibusters and the state legislatures (their there in case congress goes corrupt) ...
Nem said:
I think the other things you mention are a product of the 2 party system and not spreading power accordingly. I also think the current system doesn't work because of those reasons. The power gets heavily dumped in just 2 parties. The judiciary system should be completely independant from the executive power. It's amazing how the president and senate designate who the top judges should be. Does that not stink of corruption to you?
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The consitution wasn't specifically designed with a two party system in mind, it's just coincidence that we have two dominant parties given the incumbent vs opposition mentality everywhere ...
Complete indepedence ? What other option do we have to entrust SCOTUS appointments to ? Should we not trust SCOTUS appointments to the president and the senate who deal with such national matters ? Just how is it corrupt when it's specifically what the constitution states ? Do you propose that we have term limits for SCOTUS appointees ?
Nem said:
Well... i can tell you that in the portuguese system you need 2 thirds of the assembly to be in favor to make constitutional changes (it then has to go through presidential and court aproval). Governmants obviously put forth laws on their politics and these need to go through the assembly to be aproved aswell, but just require a majority. Not massively different than what happens in the US, but theres more parties and therefore the parties have to come to agreements that represent the people.
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The american system has one more check in place to make constitutional amendments compared to Portugal ...
That is 3/4ths of the state legislatures must ratify the amendment and only then does it go into effect. (Portugal is a unitary state, the same cannot be said for america)
Nem said:
Tbh i don't understand the states thing. The states were lines drawn in a map. They were never individual countries with their own independance. The states are simply regions created for local government. I don't know what makes one think that state X is more important than state Y for an election.
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You don't because you can't see the ramifications behind it ... (How can just over a hundred people in congress understand and know what over 300 million people want ? The simple answer is that they don't.)
If states are lines drawn on a map then that goes for most jurisdictions in the world ... (The states obviously do have some sort of independence from greater america if we look at how state legislatures play into national politics. What is greater america going to do if California, Texas, Florida, New York, New England and the Midwest all decided today to simultaneously secede from the union ? Are the rest of america really going tell all the most powerful states that they can't secede or risk declaration of war ? LOL)
America has more than one identity FWIW ... (especially if we take a look at the civil war)
Nem said:
And btw majority governments are totally legitimate because they represent the will of the majority of the citizens.
It sounds to me that the system is lost in these virtual states rather than beeing focused in the country. It seems designed to create discord and divide, wich is why it keeps showing cracks. Again, this all made sense when information wasn't so acessable and there may have been need to protect some states, but now it's outdated. I really have to disagree.
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And that is specifically why we should strive for an anti-democratic system ... (legitimacy is another issue altogether that can have different approaches, afterall how is the government of Saudi Arabia (absolute monarchy), China (single party unitary republic), North Korea (hereditary military junta), old Burma (stratocracy) any less legitimate than a pure democracy ?)
Nem said:
Like... the part that says "keep the feelings of the masses at bay". Why? The masses are the citizens, they should be the representatives of the citizens. If the masses are complaining you should probably listen to them, not ignore them.
Oh... one other thing is saying that the system is made to compensate electoral fraud. That is also wrong in principle. The system shouldn't be trying to make those changes, voter fraud should be eliminated. Again, something that would be impossible to enforce in the past, but with proper overseeing could be enforced today. Unfortunely i can see how corruption could happen in certain states given the established local power may try to misuse it's power. But then that's where the police comes in... but again the FBI director is nominated by the guy the president nominates. It's a web of corruption if you ask me.
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Just as masses should be representatives of the citizens so should the minority as well ... (just having a majority isn't healthy, we should strive for a consensus so that multiple parties can be happy with respect to governance)
Established local power may misue it's power ? LOL, first of all local governments do not have power to choose the president. That goes to the state legislatures as vested in the constitution and mind you states don't have to necessarily give it's citizens the power to vote for pledged electors, the state governments can take that privilege away in accordance with the constitution but they won't do that in favour of making the common people happy ... (for a lot of this 'corruption' that you call out, you don't seem to know that these things are decided by precedent)