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monocle_layton said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

And let me guess : You also suffer from the terminal illness known as white guilt?

A minority suffering from white guilt? What realm are we currently in?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_world#Population_distribution

Reality : P (I wasn't thinking straight)



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I forgot they have to tackle the tough choice of raising the debt ceiling and trying to somehow pass a budget for once (apparently they can only agree on continuing resolutions for the past few years it seems) when they come back from their one of many recesses.

I believe Senate Republicans don't give a fuck about Trump's threats to withhold money insurance companies and after debt ceiling and "budget" are finished they signaled they will move on with tax "reform". As much as Bannon is a piece of shit I actually liked his idea of creating a new tax bracket for the ultra rich (ones that make more than 5 million a year) to 44% to offset a perhaps real tax cut for the middle class instead of just chopping the top bracket down the most and ignoring the other brackets.  Too bad it stands no chance in hell of being on the proposed plan.

http://fortune.com/2017/07/31/steve-bannon-tax-cuts-paul-ryan/



Really?

The majority of the laws he's signed have been fixing the cluster the previous administration left. From VA reform (S. 1094) reforming our education away from the nonsense system forced on it from Washington (H.J.Res. 57).

Also I love how people are screaming how nothing has been done yet he's been in office less than 8 months....



Cubedramirez said:
Really?

The majority of the laws he's signed have been fixing the cluster the previous administration left. From VA reform (S. 1094) reforming our education away from the nonsense system forced on it from Washington (H.J.Res. 57).

Also I love how people are screaming how nothing has been done yet he's been in office less than 8 months....

You mean giving more money to private (usually christian) schools?  I've been to private and public schools.  Private up to 5th grade and public the rest.  Private is no better than public unless you live in a poor district.  So perhaps instead of funneling money to private schools we should just prop up the poor district schools instead of neglecting them.  They do that in Texas but the Robin Hood law is sucking money out of the top districts.  Basically it should be up to the state for funding on their public schools but most states don't fund their schools properly including Texas.

https://communityimpact.com/austin/northwest-austin/education/2016/09/21/nw-austin-schools-seek-fill-financial-gap-cost-robin-hood-law/



sethnintendo said:
Cubedramirez said:
Really?

The majority of the laws he's signed have been fixing the cluster the previous administration left. From VA reform (S. 1094) reforming our education away from the nonsense system forced on it from Washington (H.J.Res. 57).

Also I love how people are screaming how nothing has been done yet he's been in office less than 8 months....

You mean giving more money to private (usually christian) schools?  I've been to private and public schools.  Private up to 5th grade and public the rest.  Private is no better than public unless you live in a poor district.  So perhaps instead of funneling money to private schools we should just prop up the poor district schools instead of neglecting them.  They do that in Texas but the Robin Hood law is sucking money out of the top districts.  Basically it should be up to the state for funding on their public schools but most states don't fund their schools properly including Texas.

https://communityimpact.com/austin/northwest-austin/education/2016/09/21/nw-austin-schools-seek-fill-financial-gap-cost-robin-hood-law/

You're arguing absolutes here. Obviously schools like anything else are dependent on the quality of the school. All my children go to a charter school. Now you're also saying the money is going to usually christan schools however unless you have actual data showing that it's not worth even arguing, it's a failed and grossly incorrect talking point arguement. You also seem to believe poor districts are being neglected, how did you come believe this? Are areas with low income people, mostly urban areas, being short changed by funding? Please provide those figures because, speaking about my locality, the urban areas with incomes lower than the median avg have school systems with funding of upwards of thirteen thousand per child. In comparison city spends just over nine thousand per student and the results are considerabily better than the urban area who enjoys almost 30% more funding. 

But don't get me wrong. I like your idea of refusing to give choice in education to the parents and continue to throw money away at public schools which won't produce results. I just like your idea to stay the hell away from my family. 




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Cubedramirez said:
sethnintendo said:

You mean giving more money to private (usually christian) schools?  I've been to private and public schools.  Private up to 5th grade and public the rest.  Private is no better than public unless you live in a poor district.  So perhaps instead of funneling money to private schools we should just prop up the poor district schools instead of neglecting them.  They do that in Texas but the Robin Hood law is sucking money out of the top districts.  Basically it should be up to the state for funding on their public schools but most states don't fund their schools properly including Texas.

https://communityimpact.com/austin/northwest-austin/education/2016/09/21/nw-austin-schools-seek-fill-financial-gap-cost-robin-hood-law/

You're arguing absolutes here. Obviously schools like anything else are dependent on the quality of the school. All my children go to a charter school. Now you're also saying the money is going to usually christan schools however unless you have actual data showing that it's not worth even arguing, it's a failed and grossly incorrect talking point arguement. You also seem to believe poor districts are being neglected, how did you come believe this? Are areas with low income people, mostly urban areas, being short changed by funding? Please provide those figures because, speaking about my locality, the urban areas with incomes lower than the median avg have school systems with funding of upwards of thirteen thousand per child. In comparison city spends just over nine thousand per student and the results are considerabily better than the urban area who enjoys almost 30% more funding. 

But don't get me wrong. I like your idea of refusing to give choice in education to the parents and continue to throw money away at public schools which won't produce results. I just like your idea to stay the hell away from my family. 


I just don't want to see tax payer dollars go to private religious schools.  Fact is a lot of private schools are religious based.

http://www.capenet.org/facts.html

"There are 33,619 private schools in the United States, serving 5.4 million PK-12 students. Private schools account for 25 percent of the nation's schools and enroll 10 percent of all PK-12 students.

Most private school students (79 percent) attend religiously-affiliated schools (see table 2 of the PSS Report). And most private schools are small: 87 percent have fewer than 300 students (see table 1 of the PSS Report)."

 

I believe in seperation of church and state.  If you want to pay more money to send your kid to some religious private school then do it but don't do it on the back of tax payers money.  I don't even want to see a dime go to private schools.  They either can maintain themselves or they can go out of business.  Free market right?



sethnintendo said:
Cubedramirez said:

You're arguing absolutes here. Obviously schools like anything else are dependent on the quality of the school. All my children go to a charter school. Now you're also saying the money is going to usually christan schools however unless you have actual data showing that it's not worth even arguing, it's a failed and grossly incorrect talking point arguement. You also seem to believe poor districts are being neglected, how did you come believe this? Are areas with low income people, mostly urban areas, being short changed by funding? Please provide those figures because, speaking about my locality, the urban areas with incomes lower than the median avg have school systems with funding of upwards of thirteen thousand per child. In comparison city spends just over nine thousand per student and the results are considerabily better than the urban area who enjoys almost 30% more funding. 

But don't get me wrong. I like your idea of refusing to give choice in education to the parents and continue to throw money away at public schools which won't produce results. I just like your idea to stay the hell away from my family. 


I just don't want to see tax payer dollars go to private religious schools.  Fact is a lot of private schools are religious based.

http://www.capenet.org/facts.html

"There are 33,619 private schools in the United States, serving 5.4 million PK-12 students. Private schools account for 25 percent of the nation's schools and enroll 10 percent of all PK-12 students.

Most private school students (79 percent) attend religiously-affiliated schools (see table 2 of the PSS Report). And most private schools are small: 87 percent have fewer than 300 students (see table 1 of the PSS Report)."

 

I believe in seperation of church and state.  If you want to pay more money to send your kid to some religious private school then do it but don't do it on the back of tax payers money.  I don't even want to see a dime go to private schools.  They either can maintain themselves or they can go out of business.  Free market right?

That would not be a free market. That would be a socialist or crony keynsian market where the government sponsored school system gets the advantage over the religious and/or private schools. A free market would have extreemely low taxes or none at all into the school system and the ability to choose where to put your money into any school system you want. America already pays an insane amount into the public school system and it's a failure. I wish I grew up in an area with a good charter school. I would have been a lot better off honestly. I was in my public school's gifted program, too which was literally a liberal indoctrination clinic. It would have been better to keep the old way of just moving me ahead a grade or two.



teamsilent13 said:
sethnintendo said:

I just don't want to see tax payer dollars go to private religious schools.  Fact is a lot of private schools are religious based.

http://www.capenet.org/facts.html

"There are 33,619 private schools in the United States, serving 5.4 million PK-12 students. Private schools account for 25 percent of the nation's schools and enroll 10 percent of all PK-12 students.

Most private school students (79 percent) attend religiously-affiliated schools (see table 2 of the PSS Report). And most private schools are small: 87 percent have fewer than 300 students (see table 1 of the PSS Report)."

 

I believe in seperation of church and state.  If you want to pay more money to send your kid to some religious private school then do it but don't do it on the back of tax payers money.  I don't even want to see a dime go to private schools.  They either can maintain themselves or they can go out of business.  Free market right?

That would not be a free market. That would be a socialist or crony keynsian market where the government sponsored school system gets the advantage over the religious and/or private schools. A free market would have extreemely low taxes or none at all into the school system and the ability to choose where to put your money into any school system you want. America already pays an insane amount into the public school system and it's a failure. I wish I grew up in an area with a good charter school. I would have been a lot better off honestly. I was in my public school's gifted program, too which was literally a liberal indoctrination clinic. It would have been better to keep the old way of just moving me ahead a grade or two.

Like it or not public schools exist off tax payer money.  Private schools may have a disadvantage in funding regard but they will always have their followers of their beliefs to attempt to prop their school up. Why should I fund a religious school with my tax payer money?

Oh and not all school districts are failures in USA.  I live in a school district that is regarded pretty highly.  Sure there are a few problem schools in the district but most are top performers.



sethnintendo said:
teamsilent13 said:

That would not be a free market. That would be a socialist or crony keynsian market where the government sponsored school system gets the advantage over the religious and/or private schools. A free market would have extreemely low taxes or none at all into the school system and the ability to choose where to put your money into any school system you want. America already pays an insane amount into the public school system and it's a failure. I wish I grew up in an area with a good charter school. I would have been a lot better off honestly. I was in my public school's gifted program, too which was literally a liberal indoctrination clinic. It would have been better to keep the old way of just moving me ahead a grade or two.

Like it or not public schools exist off tax payer money.  Private schools may have a disadvantage in funding regard but they will always have their followers of their beliefs to attempt to prop their school up. Why should I fund a religious school with my tax payer money?

Oh and not all school districts are failures in USA.  I live in a school district that is regarded pretty highly.  Sure there are a few problem schools in the district but most are top performers.

I believe Thomas Jefferson wanted to completely decentralize the school system. Here is my source: https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/excursions/thomas-jefferson-public-education-part-1

Off topic, but I am sick of seperation of church and state being meant that our founders were anti religious to the modern liberal standards. We only removed Bible reading in schools in the 1950s or 60s which made things more secular than it ever was before. I am not saying to bring it back, but it appears even the non-religious Jefferson supported it: http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/arg6.htm. Old America wasn't super atheist or anything. Jefferson was probably only 1 of 3 out of 56 that signed the constitution that wasn't Chrisitan. Although he did write it.

I would prefer to lower taxes across the board...far more than the Bush tax cuts. I do not believe the public school system is as important as the public library which cost our taxes far less. So for me, I would love to see a more diverse thought education system with less emphasis on public schooling. 

 



teamsilent13 said:
sethnintendo said:

Like it or not public schools exist off tax payer money.  Private schools may have a disadvantage in funding regard but they will always have their followers of their beliefs to attempt to prop their school up. Why should I fund a religious school with my tax payer money?

Oh and not all school districts are failures in USA.  I live in a school district that is regarded pretty highly.  Sure there are a few problem schools in the district but most are top performers.

I believe Thomas Jefferson wanted to completely decentralize the school system. Here is my source: https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/excursions/thomas-jefferson-public-education-part-1

Off topic, but I am sick of seperation of church and state being meant that our founders were anti religious to the modern liberal standards. We only removed Bible reading in schools in the 1950s or 60s which made things more secular than it ever was before. I am not saying to bring it back, but it appears even the non-religious Jefferson supported it: http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/arg6.htm. Old America wasn't super atheist or anything. Jefferson was probably only 1 of 3 out of 56 that signed the constitution that wasn't Chrisitan. Although he did write it.

I would prefer to lower taxes across the board...far more than the Bush tax cuts. I do not believe the public school system is as important as the public library which cost our taxes far less. So for me, I would love to see a more diverse thought education system with less emphasis on public schooling. 

 

Has there been a working school system in another country where such a strategy was employed? Personally I think it's far more instructive to look at what kind of systems are working now than to worry about what the founding fathers may have wanted. My Canadian friend was amazed by the idea that the public school system was so decentralized that funding was dependent on how nice the property values are in a certain district. The Canadian system apparently uses solely student count to decide funding. Or we could look at the system in the netherlands (forget which country) in which you aren't allowed to shop around for schools, but that means all schools are built up by those that live in the district to try and help make the school as good as it can be. Maybe Japan where you go to school for much more time, or the netherlands again where you go to school much less and it's more holistic. Basically why are we trying to invent some kind of round device to help us transport heavy objects when others have already made a wheel?



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