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irstupid said:
KLAMarine said:

Since we're on this topic, recently found this funny image:

That's about where my thinking is. I'm all for what green energy or improving the earth is about, but i'm a little hesitent to fully trust climatologists.

Are we humans doing stuff to the Earth? Obviously, but I don't believe as much as they say.

1. Feels like every few years we get a new diagram showing how much of the Earth is going ot be under water at said date. Said date comes and the world is the same, the date just got moved ahead in time. Feels like watching a sci fi movie gloryfiying how hi-tech the world will be in 50 years. Then 50 years later its nowhere near what the movie shows.

2. Money. The climatologists are getting huge grants for their stuff, or their salary solely relies on what they are saying to be true. Or people believe them. I've had a job before, where I felt was unneeded. I didn't have much work to do and neither did the person above me. He could have easily done both our jobs. Was I about to go into my bosses office and tell him my position was unneeded?  Hell no. I'm not gonna fire myself.

But the real reason I am skeptical of whatever a scientists says about climate change is this

3. HIdden/secret data. All we ever see in regards to "proof" of climate change is graphs showing their results, or their conclusions, ect. The actual hard facts data showing every single reading, what data values were kept, thrown out, ect is all hidden behind some secret. Example, lets say their is 4 temperature readings at the north all using different tools. One satalittes, 2 thermomater, 3 electronic bouy in water, ect. They will all have a different reading. Which one did the scientist use in his conclusion? Why? Did he use the same tool at all the other readings? Why or why not? Is that the most accurate tool? Ect. I will NEVER trust a scientific organization or results if their data is not public knowledge. I can understand when some things require secrecy, but not this. They scream that this effects everyone and we all need to listen and this is for us all, ect. Yet they hide their data. Whenever a scientists proves something it is out in the world. Any scientists or everyday joe can on his own test and double check that scientists work and should come to the same conclusion.

So I will do what climatologists say, just because as your comic says, why not. But I don't trust them.

1. Please don't rely on Hollywood for scientific knowledge.

2. I doubt research grants are handed out for "truth" but rather for sound research. If research money is handed out for "truth" then wouldn't "the truth" need to be known first in order to verify the research being paid for is "the truth" to begin with? If so, what's the point of paying for the research to begin with when "the truth" is already known?

3. Many research papers are publicly available and free where their methods are elaborated on. Others require subscriptions to scientific journals which pay their own researchers to make sure garbage isn't being published in their journals.

Interesting video on peer-review:



irstupid said:

That's about where my thinking is. I'm all for what green energy or improving the earth is about, but i'm a little hesitent to fully trust climatologists.

Are we humans doing stuff to the Earth? Obviously, but I don't believe as much as they say.

1. Feels like every few years we get a new diagram showing how much of the Earth is going ot be under water at said date. Said date comes and the world is the same, the date just got moved ahead in time. Feels like watching a sci fi movie gloryfiying how hi-tech the world will be in 50 years. Then 50 years later its nowhere near what the movie shows.

2. Money. The climatologists are getting huge grants for their stuff, or their salary solely relies on what they are saying to be true. Or people believe them. I've had a job before, where I felt was unneeded. I didn't have much work to do and neither did the person above me. He could have easily done both our jobs. Was I about to go into my bosses office and tell him my position was unneeded?  Hell no. I'm not gonna fire myself.

But the real reason I am skeptical of whatever a scientists says about climate change is this

3. HIdden/secret data. All we ever see in regards to "proof" of climate change is graphs showing their results, or their conclusions, ect. The actual hard facts data showing every single reading, what data values were kept, thrown out, ect is all hidden behind some secret. Example, lets say their is 4 temperature readings at the north all using different tools. One satalittes, 2 thermomater, 3 electronic bouy in water, ect. They will all have a different reading. Which one did the scientist use in his conclusion? Why? Did he use the same tool at all the other readings? Why or why not? Is that the most accurate tool? Ect. I will NEVER trust a scientific organization or results if their data is not public knowledge. I can understand when some things require secrecy, but not this. They scream that this effects everyone and we all need to listen and this is for us all, ect. Yet they hide their data. Whenever a scientists proves something it is out in the world. Any scientists or everyday joe can on his own test and double check that scientists work and should come to the same conclusion.

So I will do what climatologists say, just because as your comic says, why not. But I don't trust them.

You've probably never read a scientific paper, have you?



This gif from someone's sig sums up my thoughts