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DonFerrari on 21 July 2017

Good luck to the arab people



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SecondWar on 21 July 2017
JRPGfan said:
really wish that military coup had worked.... sad to see Turkey, one of the few well off muslim countries erode.

Its this sort of thing that continues to suggest to me that the 'military coup' was actually staged by Erdogan himself as a means and a reason to purge his opponents or non-loyalists. It fits the bill completely and the more he does the more he seems to support my thoery, and there are instances of dictators and would-be tyrants doing similar things in recent history. 



Flilix on 21 July 2017

When I read the title, I thought it was ging to be about that 'jihad is about peace' bullshit, but it's even worse.



Fei-Hung on 21 July 2017
Flilix said:
When I read the title, I thought it was ging to be about that 'jihad is about peace' bullshit, but it's even worse.

The definition of jihad is the internal and external struggle to morally and ethically to do the right thing for the betterment of mankind and yourself. The only people who disagree are terrorists since they use it to justify violence and bigots who indirectly give credibility to the terrorist. 



Flilix on 21 July 2017
Fei-Hung said:
Flilix said:
When I read the title, I thought it was ging to be about that 'jihad is about peace' bullshit, but it's even worse.

The definition of jihad is the internal and external struggle to morally and ethically to do the right thing for the betterment of mankind and yourself. The only people who disagree are terrorists since they use it to justify violence and bigots who indirectly give credibility to the terrorist. 

'The betterment of mankind and yourself'. This also includes violent oppression of anything that isn't Muslim. Muhammad himself fought bloody wars with his army and forced defeated enemies to convert to Islam.



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Aeolus451 on 21 July 2017
CaptainExplosion said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

this is horrible news, I have a feeling that if this keeps building up in Turkey, there's gonna be another coup or a civil war at worst

it's not a coincidence that they are investing primarily in military, and they won't join the EU, not with their current political status anyway and still, they don't wonna give up on the illegally occupied EU ground in Cyprus, which they've been holding for the last 43 years

seems to me that a big part the population has moved forward towards being Westernized in lifestyle, but it seems that there is also a significant number of Turks who are still living in the long past, and there's nothing wrong with nationalism and partiotism, most people love their countries, but there is a difference between loving your country and hating every other country

Islam is a very peaceful religion, hopefully this is what Erdogan wants to teach in schools, and not this:

That looks like how Trump wants people to see Muslims.

 He wants to take a common sense cautionary step (vetting) when a sizable portion of muslims are radical or terrorists. 



Pemalite on 21 July 2017
Aeolus451 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

That looks like how Trump wants people to see Muslims.

 He wants to take a common sense cautionary step (vetting) when a sizable portion of muslims are radical or terrorists. 

There are terrorists in every faith. You can even have non-religious extremists.

You do not just vet for Muslims and only for select countries. You vet everyone. Otherwise your efforts are completely and utterly pointless.



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Eagle367 on 22 July 2017
LurkerJ said:

 

Turkey's new school curriculum drops evolution and will teach concept of jihad

Education minister says 'the real meaning of jihad is loving your nation'

Turkey's new school curriculum drops Charles Darwin's theory of evolution and adds the concept of jihad as patriotic in spirit.

The move has fuelled fears President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is subverting the republic's secular foundations.

The chairman of a teachers' union has described the changes as a huge step in the wrong direction for Turkey's schools and an attempt to avoid raising "generations who ask questions".

Ismet Yilmaz, the country's education minister, said the controversial decision to exclude the theory of evolution was "because it is above the students' level and not directly relevant."

A member of the opposition Republican People's Party, Mustafa Balbay, said any suggestion the theory was beyond their understanding was an insult to high school students.

"You go and give an 18-year old student the right to elect and be elected, but don't give him the right to learn about the theory of evolution...This is being close minded and ignorant."

The theory of evolution is rejected by both Christian and Muslim creationists, who believe God created the world as described in the Bible and the Koran, making the universe and all living things in six days. Mr Erdogan, accused by critics of crushing democratic freedoms with tens of thousands of arrests and a clampdown on media since a failed coup last July, has in the past spoken of raising a "pious generation".

The curriculum, effective from the start of the 2017-2018 school year, also obliges Turkey's growing number of "Imam Hatip" religious schools to teach the concept of jihad as patriotic in spirit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-school-curriculum-teach-jihad-concept-drop-evolution-science-muslim-islam-a7848176.html

Muslims dont believe the universe  was created in six days. At least no muslim i know believes thag. The quran does mention stages or periods of crtion not days its just the same word ayyam is used in arabic for days and indefinite amounts of periods. So the ayyam can be one day or it can be billions of years

And we dont believe God needs any rest whatsoever  unlike the christians who say he rested the seventh day. And not all creationists deny evolution though most do. But learning about something should not be forbidden and the turkish government is being very stupid. Finally jihad means struggle it has notbing to do with patriotism or war or religion in and of itself. Sure struggling for your nation is patriotism and struggling for winning wars is war related and jihad for Allah is religious but in and of itself jihad is just basic struggle and everyone does it. Now why are two news stories one about evolution studies the other about jihad linked together like they mean something together?



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Aeolus451 on 22 July 2017
Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

 He wants to take a common sense cautionary step (vetting) when a sizable portion of muslims are radical or terrorists. 

There are terrorists in every faith. You can even have non-religious extremists.

You do not just vet for Muslims and only for select countries. You vet everyone. Otherwise your efforts are completely and utterly pointless.

Of course, there's bad apples within every faith and that there's non-religious extremists, too but the vast majority of terrorists in modern times come from the muslim faith. Everyone is already being screened or vetted to some degree but I agree that it should be strengthened across the board but muslims should be vetted more if they come from certain countries. 



Lafiel on 22 July 2017
Aeolus451 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

That looks like how Trump wants people to see Muslims.

 He wants to take a common sense cautionary step (vetting) when a sizable portion of muslims are radical or terrorists. 

the US has been hardcore vetting ME travelers/migrants at least since 2001, there is little more that can be done on that front