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VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:

Patriotism is no different from being proud of something you're a part of. Like being proud of what your friends and family do. Or being proud of winning a Hearthstone tournament. You were not directly involved in those achievements but there is nothing wrong with taking pride in it and being happy that're somehow part of it.

I really think you're confusing patriotism with nationalism.

Why would you take pride in something that you're not involved in? Pride is satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, so if you're not involved with the achievement it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, look at those scumbag parents who are actually proud of their kids for being successful. What despicable people not living through their own achievements but that of their kids. Disgusting narcisists I tell ya.

You really need to chill.



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vivster said:
VGPolyglot said:

Why would you take pride in something that you're not involved in? Pride is satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, so if you're not involved with the achievement it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, look at those scumbag parents who are actually proud of their kids for being successful. What despicable people not living through their own achievements but that of their kids. Disgusting narcisists I tell ya.

You really need to chill.

Raising a child is much more direct, it's not even comparable to patriotism, which is pride towards a country.



VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:

Yeah, look at those scumbag parents who are actually proud of their kids for being successful. What despicable people not living through their own achievements but that of their kids. Disgusting narcisists I tell ya.

You really need to chill.

Raising a child is much more direct, it's not even comparable to patriotism, which is pride towards a country.

It's still being proposed by Erdogan though, and nothing good has come out of that bastard.



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vivster said:

They have the same basis but a completely different attitude and intent. Like an imam in a soup kitchen and an ISIS fighter.

Patriotism and nationalism are both based on pride but they take a completely opposite approach. Which takes me back to my original comment. Patriotism has never hurt anyone, nationalism has.

Patriotism and nationalism are literally synonyms ... 

Just what exactly is the difference between liking or being devoted to one's nation ? 



VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:

Patriotism is no different from being proud of something you're a part of. Like being proud of what your friends and family do. Or being proud of winning a Hearthstone tournament. You were not directly involved in those achievements but there is nothing wrong with taking pride in it and being happy that're somehow part of it.

I really think you're confusing patriotism with nationalism.

Why would you take pride in something that you're not involved in? Pride is satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, so if you're not involved with the achievement it doesn't make sense.

What about a parent being proud of their child's accomplishments.

They are proud of their child. They are not proud of themselves for possibly having a hand in what their child did if they even did have a hand in it.

Your definition of pride is very selfish.



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VGPolyglot said:
Nationalism and patriotism, two ideas that I'm very opposed to.

This is far different than that. This is radical religion infecting the secular Turkey. Is there anywhere left in the middle east that is relatively normal?



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@patriotism discussion

There is not much wrong with a patriot who loves to see "his" country winning at the Olympic Games or stuff like that. He doesn't harm anyone nor does that "fighting for your country" in sport harm anyone as long as it is fair play. Patriotism isn't automatically bad if it doesn't go to far. It doesn't have to mean the guy believes his country is better as other countries or anything.

Chauvinism on the other hand is definitely wrong.



barneystinson69 said:
VGPolyglot said:
Nationalism and patriotism, two ideas that I'm very opposed to.

This is far different than that. This is radical religion infecting the secular Turkey. Is there anywhere left in the middle east that is relatively normal?

No, which is why it's been getting so many drone strikes.



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VGPolyglot said:
psychicscubadiver said:

That's not even the main thing. How will infrastructure and living conditions remain at any reasonable level? Their are jobs, whether risky or unpleasant that people do not want to do. Without a currency system in place (or a brutally oppressive government like the Soviet Union under Stalin) how do you induce people to do those jobs? Heck, how do you induce peopleto do even regular jobs when it would be quicker and easier to use violence to obtain what they want? Ancom has never worked historically. Even the hippies communes based along those ideas fell apart typcially within years.

As, I said, mutal aid. And violence would not be an ideal option, because it's much harder to become more advanced when you're constantly in conflict. And ancom hasn't worked historically because it was bordered by hostile forces that eventually attacked and overwhelmed them.

crissindahouse said:

Yes, there are humans who care for each other but those never really stopped the humans who are not like that.

What is your grand plan? All good guys work together to stop all bad guys, the bad guys will just stop to be bad because the good guys say it and everyone will work together? We will live all together on the planet and everything will just work well with everyone responsible for himself and his orange tree which he always does get enough oranges from without anyone else taking them?

Common...

Even small villages in a jungle have one or more "leader" for a reason. It doesn't work otherwise over a long time. And if even these small villages with people who are still living like thousand years ago have some people considered to be "above" the others, how in the world do you expect a city with millions of people to function just on the basis of "we all live friendly together and teamwork will do it for us"? 

Man, you can get robbed on the street with 100 people who see it and nobody will help you but you think you could work together with them without criminals taking over your area...

I don't believe that there's such thing is inherently bad people, which is why I said it's more complicated than that.

What prevents violence? You have not offered any possible counter to that simple consideration. The society you are depicting depends upon all of its members holding utter trust in each other despite the fact that some people will make bad choices. No has to be inherently bad to make a bad choice or to use violence to achieve what they want. If my family were without food or shelter, I would fight or steal for them. And if you want to counter that with the idea of 'mutual aid' then you have to somehow create a post scarity world. Which gets back to my earlier point (which was unaddressed) about how you get people to do risky or unpleseant jobs without some sort of impetus (be it money or coercison).

Why would you take pride in something that you're not involved in? Pride is satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, so if you're not involved with the achievement it doesn't make sense.

So I can't be proud when my brother gets a scholarship or my friend wins a tournament? Pride is more than self-interest. It can extend to whoever or whatever you care about. I am proud of my city, my state, my country when we do something right. And I am shamed when we do something wrong. I can identify with them as part of my group. No man is an island, afterall.



fatslob-:O said:
vivster said:

They have the same basis but a completely different attitude and intent. Like an imam in a soup kitchen and an ISIS fighter.

Patriotism and nationalism are both based on pride but they take a completely opposite approach. Which takes me back to my original comment. Patriotism has never hurt anyone, nationalism has.

Patriotism and nationalism are literally synonyms ... 

Just what exactly is the difference between liking or being devoted to one's nation ? 

Nationalism is extreme patriotism, typically coupled with a sense that ones nation is superior to others