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psychicscubadiver said:
VGPolyglot said:

You're assuming that people just decide out of nowhere that they're going to murder someone, or commit rape. It's much more complicated than that.

That's not even the main thing. How will infrastructure and living conditions remain at any reasonable level? Their are jobs, whether risky or unpleasant that people do not want to do. Without a currency system in place (or a brutally oppressive government like the Soviet Union under Stalin) how do you induce people to do those jobs? Heck, how do you induce peopleto do even regular jobs when it would be quicker and easier to use violence to obtain what they want? Ancom has never worked historically. Even the hippies communes based along those ideas fell apart typcially within years.

As, I said, mutal aid. And violence would not be an ideal option, because it's much harder to become more advanced when you're constantly in conflict. And ancom hasn't worked historically because it was bordered by hostile forces that eventually attacked and overwhelmed them.

crissindahouse said:
VGPolyglot said:

And there's also a lot of humans that care for and look out for others. Humans are naturally social, that's why we have speech, as we required teamwork in hunting and gathering tactics.

Yes, there are humans who care for each other but those never really stopped the humans who are not like that.

What is your grand plan? All good guys work together to stop all bad guys, the bad guys will just stop to be bad because the good guys say it and everyone will work together? We will live all together on the planet and everything will just work well with everyone responsible for himself and his orange tree which he always does get enough oranges from without anyone else taking them?

Common...

Even small villages in a jungle have one or more "leader" for a reason. It doesn't work otherwise over a long time. And if even these small villages with people who are still living like thousand years ago have some people considered to be "above" the others, how in the world do you expect a city with millions of people to function just on the basis of "we all live friendly together and teamwork will do it for us"? 

Man, you can get robbed on the street with 100 people who see it and nobody will help you but you think you could work together with them without criminals taking over your area...

I don't believe that there's such thing is inherently bad people, which is why I said it's more complicated than that.



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vivster said:

Patriotism is no different from being proud of something you're a part of. Like being proud of what your friends and family do. Or being proud of winning a Hearthstone tournament. You were not directly involved in those achievements but there is nothing wrong with taking pride in it and being happy that're somehow part of it.

I really think you're confusing patriotism with nationalism.

They mean the same thing FYI ... 

The word you're looking for to describe the situation is 'pride', 'vanity', or possibly even 'arrogant' ...



vivster said:
VGPolyglot said:

I hope for there to be a world without countries, and patriotism is definitely in opposition to that.

Patriotism is no different from being proud of something you're a part of. Like being proud of what your friends and family do. Or being proud of winning a Hearthstone tournament. You were not directly involved in those achievements but there is nothing wrong with taking pride in it and being happy that're somehow part of it.

I really think you're confusing patriotism with nationalism.

Why would you take pride in something that you're not involved in? Pride is satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, so if you're not involved with the achievement it doesn't make sense.



So long Turkey, we hardly knew ye. This is also the country with the 2nd largest military in NATO. Gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling inside, don't it?



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VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:

There is nothing really wrong with patriotism. The problem are nationalists claiming to be patriotic when they're just blind bigots. The difference in attitude is very different between patriotism and nationalism. Like the difference between socially minded Christians and the KKK.

I hope for there to be a world without countries, and patriotism is definitely in opposition to that.

Thats really naive and quite frankly impossible.



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Mystro-Sama said:
VGPolyglot said:

I hope for there to be a world without countries, and patriotism is definitely in opposition to that.

Thats really naive and quite frankly impossible.

Probably as impossible as it was at one point for humans to fly in the sky, or for instant communication around the world. It's not impossible, is it likely, no, but possible and likely are two different things.



fatslob-:O said:
vivster said:

Patriotism is no different from being proud of something you're a part of. Like being proud of what your friends and family do. Or being proud of winning a Hearthstone tournament. You were not directly involved in those achievements but there is nothing wrong with taking pride in it and being happy that're somehow part of it.

I really think you're confusing patriotism with nationalism.

They mean the same thing FYI ... 

The word you're looking for to describe the situation is 'pride', 'vanity', or possibly even 'arrogant' ...

They have the same basis but a completely different attitude and intent. Like an imam in a soup kitchen and an ISIS fighter.

Patriotism and nationalism are both based on pride but they take a completely opposite approach. Which takes me back to my original comment. Patriotism has never hurt anyone, nationalism has.



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:

Patriotism is no different from being proud of something you're a part of. Like being proud of what your friends and family do. Or being proud of winning a Hearthstone tournament. You were not directly involved in those achievements but there is nothing wrong with taking pride in it and being happy that're somehow part of it.

I really think you're confusing patriotism with nationalism.

Why would you take pride in something that you're not involved in? Pride is satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, so if you're not involved with the achievement it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, look at those scumbag parents who are actually proud of their kids for being successful. What despicable people not living through their own achievements but that of their kids. Disgusting narcisists I tell ya.

You really need to chill.



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

vivster said:
VGPolyglot said:

Why would you take pride in something that you're not involved in? Pride is satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, so if you're not involved with the achievement it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, look at those scumbag parents who are actually proud of their kids for being successful. What despicable people not living through their own achievements but that of their kids. Disgusting narcisists I tell ya.

You really need to chill.

Raising a child is much more direct, it's not even comparable to patriotism, which is pride towards a country.



vivster said:

They have the same basis but a completely different attitude and intent. Like an imam in a soup kitchen and an ISIS fighter.

Patriotism and nationalism are both based on pride but they take a completely opposite approach. Which takes me back to my original comment. Patriotism has never hurt anyone, nationalism has.

Patriotism and nationalism are literally synonyms ... 

Just what exactly is the difference between liking or being devoted to one's nation ?