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LurkerJ said:

 

Turkey's new school curriculum drops evolution and will teach concept of jihad

Education minister says 'the real meaning of jihad is loving your nation'

Turkey's new school curriculum drops Charles Darwin's theory of evolution and adds the concept of jihad as patriotic in spirit.

The move has fuelled fears President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is subverting the republic's secular foundations.

The chairman of a teachers' union has described the changes as a huge step in the wrong direction for Turkey's schools and an attempt to avoid raising "generations who ask questions".

Ismet Yilmaz, the country's education minister, said the controversial decision to exclude the theory of evolution was "because it is above the students' level and not directly relevant."

A member of the opposition Republican People's Party, Mustafa Balbay, said any suggestion the theory was beyond their understanding was an insult to high school students.

"You go and give an 18-year old student the right to elect and be elected, but don't give him the right to learn about the theory of evolution...This is being close minded and ignorant."

The theory of evolution is rejected by both Christian and Muslim creationists, who believe God created the world as described in the Bible and the Koran, making the universe and all living things in six days. Mr Erdogan, accused by critics of crushing democratic freedoms with tens of thousands of arrests and a clampdown on media since a failed coup last July, has in the past spoken of raising a "pious generation".

The curriculum, effective from the start of the 2017-2018 school year, also obliges Turkey's growing number of "Imam Hatip" religious schools to teach the concept of jihad as patriotic in spirit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-school-curriculum-teach-jihad-concept-drop-evolution-science-muslim-islam-a7848176.html

Muslims dont believe the universe  was created in six days. At least no muslim i know believes thag. The quran does mention stages or periods of crtion not days its just the same word ayyam is used in arabic for days and indefinite amounts of periods. So the ayyam can be one day or it can be billions of years

And we dont believe God needs any rest whatsoever  unlike the christians who say he rested the seventh day. And not all creationists deny evolution though most do. But learning about something should not be forbidden and the turkish government is being very stupid. Finally jihad means struggle it has notbing to do with patriotism or war or religion in and of itself. Sure struggling for your nation is patriotism and struggling for winning wars is war related and jihad for Allah is religious but in and of itself jihad is just basic struggle and everyone does it. Now why are two news stories one about evolution studies the other about jihad linked together like they mean something together?



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Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

 He wants to take a common sense cautionary step (vetting) when a sizable portion of muslims are radical or terrorists. 

There are terrorists in every faith. You can even have non-religious extremists.

You do not just vet for Muslims and only for select countries. You vet everyone. Otherwise your efforts are completely and utterly pointless.

I mean...sure you vet 'everyone' per se, but are we really going to ignore the reality of the current situation for soothing bromides?  There can be potential for a terrorist from any stripe, but the likelihood is favored towards one particular religion w/ a radical interpretation cultivated in select few countries.  It's possible to both skim through everyone whilst still priortizing resources towards travelers coming from, or born in, high-risk countries.



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Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

 He wants to take a common sense cautionary step (vetting) when a sizable portion of muslims are radical or terrorists. 

There are terrorists in every faith. You can even have non-religious extremists.

You do not just vet for Muslims and only for select countries. You vet everyone. Otherwise your efforts are completely and utterly pointless.

Of course, there's bad apples within every faith and that there's non-religious extremists, too but the vast majority of terrorists in modern times come from the muslim faith. Everyone is already being screened or vetted to some degree but I agree that it should be strengthened across the board but muslims should be vetted more if they come from certain countries. 



Aeolus451 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

That looks like how Trump wants people to see Muslims.

 He wants to take a common sense cautionary step (vetting) when a sizable portion of muslims are radical or terrorists. 

the US has been hardcore vetting ME travelers/migrants at least since 2001, there is little more that can be done on that front



Fei-Hung said:
Flilix said:
When I read the title, I thought it was ging to be about that 'jihad is about peace' bullshit, but it's even worse.

The definition of jihad is the internal and external struggle to morally and ethically to do the right thing for the betterment of mankind and yourself. The only people who disagree are terrorists since they use it to justify violence and bigots who indirectly give credibility to the terrorist. 

Like every word, it has multiple meanings. That's not the common definition of it nor is that the first thing you think of when you see or hear the word "jihad".



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Lafiel said:
Aeolus451 said:

 He wants to take a common sense cautionary step (vetting) when a sizable portion of muslims are radical or terrorists. 

the US has been hardcore vetting ME travelers/migrants at least since 2001, there is little more that can be done on that front

I doubt that. 



Flilix said:
Fei-Hung said:

The definition of jihad is the internal and external struggle to morally and ethically to do the right thing for the betterment of mankind and yourself. The only people who disagree are terrorists since they use it to justify violence and bigots who indirectly give credibility to the terrorist. 

'The betterment of mankind and yourself'. This also includes violent oppression of anything that isn't Muslim. Muhammad himself fought bloody wars with his army and forced defeated enemies to convert to Islam.

As above. You're not a scholar of the faith nor are you any authority on it. Stop miseducating yourself and others. If you carry on spreading false information I'll have to report you for trolling and spreading uneducated false information that leads to hate fire no good reason. 

 

In case you are wondering how I know, I work work with scholars and have worked on several government programs as well as world faith leaders. People who have actually  studied my just Googled and taken their answers from out of context terrorist / left wing websites. 



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Aeolus451 said:
Pemalite said:

There are terrorists in every faith. You can even have non-religious extremists.

You do not just vet for Muslims and only for select countries. You vet everyone. Otherwise your efforts are completely and utterly pointless.

Of course, there's bad apples within every faith and that there's non-religious extremists, too but the vast majority of terrorists in modern times come from the muslim faith. Everyone is already being screened or vetted to some degree but I agree that it should be strengthened across the board but muslims should be vetted more if they come from certain countries. 

Doesn't matter where the majority are. You do not do a half-assed job, vet everyone, stop discriminating, do something once, do it right or do not do it at all.

There are active buddhist terrorists in Asia. You have Christian terrorists in Africa, you are essentially leaving the door open for them, that is not okay.



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Fei-Hung said:
Flilix said:

'The betterment of mankind and yourself'. This also includes violent oppression of anything that isn't Muslim. Muhammad himself fought bloody wars with his army and forced defeated enemies to convert to Islam.

As above. You're not a scholar of the faith nor are you any authority on it. Stop miseducating yourself and others. If you carry on spreading false information I'll have to report you for trolling and spreading uneducated false information that leads to hate fire no good reason. 

 

In case you are wondering how I know, I work work with scholars and have worked on several government programs as well as world faith leaders. People who have actually  studied my just Googled and taken their answers from out of context terrorist / left wing websites. 

You're the one spreading misinformation by trying to bully others into believing your word on it. I rather see the whole picture of something rather than one side of it being hidden because it doesn't fit the narrative. 



Fei-Hung said:
Flilix said:

'The betterment of mankind and yourself'. This also includes violent oppression of anything that isn't Muslim. Muhammad himself fought bloody wars with his army and forced defeated enemies to convert to Islam.

As above. You're not a scholar of the faith nor are you any authority on it. Stop miseducating yourself and others. If you carry on spreading false information I'll have to report you for trolling and spreading uneducated false information that leads to hate fire no good reason. 

 

In case you are wondering how I know, I work work with scholars and have worked on several government programs as well as world faith leaders. People who have actually  studied my just Googled and taken their answers from out of context terrorist / left wing websites. 

This doesn't have anything to do with faith anymore. It's pure factual history. Whether someone is an Islam expert or someone doesn't know anything about the Islam, that doesn't change the historical truth. The conquering of Arabia by Muhammad and his successors is well documented and it was the origin of the Arabian Empire.