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atma998 said:
potato_hamster said:

So clearly then you have evidence that the genre as a whole sells less than it did 10 years ago since you're claiming that it has? Go ahead present the sales data from 2006 and 2016 then that clearly shows this. You don't actually have that evidence though, do you?

So you don't want to provide a source for your apparently baseless claims? Well from what I can find, there is no evidence that he did include MGS and Uncharted as a part of the Shooter category in that chart, and it's far more likely that you made that shit up because you're ethically bankrupt, just like you've made up other such nonsense in this thread. So put up or shut up. You're making the claim, it's on you to back it up.

Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo, Call of Duty showing signifiant decline speak for itself.

As for providing a source showing he included MGS and Uncharted into his datas, I won't because I don't want you to harass that poor guy. That said, these datas are still meaningless since they are US only.

It's adorable about how arrogant and proud you are at your blatant lack of reasoning skills. If only those were literally the only games in the "shooter" genre, you might actually have a point. But, since literally hundreds of other games make up the "shooter" genre, your observation that a handful of titles have declined, and applying that to the genre as a whole is obviously and embarassingly foolish.

Yep, just as I thought. You clearly made it up. You don't think you're actually fooling anyone, do you?  I hope you don't expect anyone to treat you like you even have a shred of credibility.



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Ka-pi96 said:
atma998 said:

Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo, Call of Duty showing signifiant decline speak for itself.

As for providing a source showing he included MGS and Uncharted into his datas, I won't because I don't want you to harass that poor guy. That said, these datas are still meaningless since they are US only.

Not really, every single one of those franchises had games that were received very poorly by fans, that's a much more likely explanation for their decline than the whole shooter genre being less popular than it was before.

The mediocrity of the latest releases may be a factor of the decline, I agree but it does not change the fact that there is a decline. These franchises lumped together most probably count for more than 50% of the genre so if they are doing bad, consequently the whole genre is doing bad.



potato_hamster said:
atma998 said:

Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo, Call of Duty showing signifiant decline speak for itself.

As for providing a source showing he included MGS and Uncharted into his datas, I won't because I don't want you to harass that poor guy. That said, these datas are still meaningless since they are US only.

It's adorable about how arrogant and proud you are at your blatant lack of reasoning skills. If only those were literally the only games in the "shooter" genre, you might actually have a point. But, since literally hundreds of other games make up the "shooter" genre, your observation that a handful of titles have declined, and applying that to the genre as a whole is obviously and embarassingly foolish.

Yep, just as I thought. You clearly made it up. You don't think you're actually fooling anyone, do you?  I hope you don't expect anyone to treat you like you even have a shred of credibility.

Oh no... a random guy on the internet think I have no credibility! Don't give up, dude.



Ka-pi96 said:
atma998 said:

Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo, Call of Duty showing signifiant decline speak for itself.

As for providing a source showing he included MGS and Uncharted into his datas, I won't because I don't want you to harass that poor guy. That said, these datas are still meaningless since they are US only.

Not really, every single one of those franchises had games that were received very poorly by fans, that's a much more likely explanation for their decline than the whole shooter genre being less popular than it was before.

Meanwhile, Bungie just put out a new FPS that has outsold every Halo game, save possibly Halo 3, depending on digital sales. But wait, we can ignore that because it's not a franchise yet. Makes sense.

It's amazing how easy it is to believe the "shooter genre" is on the decline when you come up with nonsensical reasons why some of the best selling games in that genre in recent years don't actually count.



atma998 said:
potato_hamster said:

It's adorable about how arrogant and proud you are at your blatant lack of reasoning skills. If only those were literally the only games in the "shooter" genre, you might actually have a point. But, since literally hundreds of other games make up the "shooter" genre, your observation that a handful of titles have declined, and applying that to the genre as a whole is obviously and embarassingly foolish.

Yep, just as I thought. You clearly made it up. You don't think you're actually fooling anyone, do you?  I hope you don't expect anyone to treat you like you even have a shred of credibility.

Oh no... a random guy on the internet think I have no credibility! Don't give up, dude.

If you have any credibility, you'll provide a source for your claims. Put up or shut up.



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potato_hamster said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Not really, every single one of those franchises had games that were received very poorly by fans, that's a much more likely explanation for their decline than the whole shooter genre being less popular than it was before.

Meanwhile, Bungie just put out a new FPS that has outsold every Halo game, save possibly Halo 3, depending on digital sales. But wait, we can ignore that because it's not a franchise yet. Makes sense.

It's amazing how easy it is to believe the "shooter genre" is on the decline when you come up with nonsensical reasons why some of the best selling games in that genre in recent years don't actually count.

Did you read the original post? Only the franchises are included in the graph. That said, if Destiny is one of the best selling shooter in recent years then you're just proving my point, the shooter genre is in decline. Destiny did far less than what Call of Duty did 6 years ago.



atma998 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Not really, every single one of those franchises had games that were received very poorly by fans, that's a much more likely explanation for their decline than the whole shooter genre being less popular than it was before.

The mediocrity of the latest releases may be a factor of the decline, I agree but it does not change the fact that there is a decline. These franchises lumped together most probably count for more than 50% of the genre so if they are doing bad, consequently the whole genre is doing bad.

The PS4 and Xbox One sold over 210 million hard copies of games last year between them. Assuming the Shooter genre makes up only 20% of software sales that means that the "Shooter" genre accounted for 42 million copies of games last year. The franchises you listed account for about 16 million copies sold, in 2016. So no, they don't account for over 50% of the genre.  They definitely used to, but times have changed.

The data is out there. You don't have to keep talking out of your ass.



atma998 said:
potato_hamster said:

Meanwhile, Bungie just put out a new FPS that has outsold every Halo game, save possibly Halo 3, depending on digital sales. But wait, we can ignore that because it's not a franchise yet. Makes sense.

It's amazing how easy it is to believe the "shooter genre" is on the decline when you come up with nonsensical reasons why some of the best selling games in that genre in recent years don't actually count.

Did you read the original post? Only the franchises are included in the graph. That said, if Destiny is one of the best selling shooter in recent years then you're just proving my point, the shooter genre is in decline. Destiny did far less than what Call of Duty did 6 years ago.

Bolded is the part where I deal with your "franchises" stipulation.

Even if Destiny did less than Call of Duty did 6 years ago, so what? Have you considered that perhaps multiple new titles now account for the sales that only a handful of games used to occupy? If only you were looking yearly sales of the genre rather than the sales a handful of games and assume they represent an entire genre maybe then you'd be justified in making the conclusions you're making.