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Goodnightmoon on 18 July 2017
Volterra_90 said:
Goodnightmoon said:

I can't agree with that, there are tons of blockbusters with high scores, including many mediocre superhero movies. Of course critics do value more films made with artistic purposes than movies made to be the equivalent of a theme park roller coaster, because they do understand what real cinema is about.

Problem is that I don't really think that's what cinema is. I mean, we need both. Films with artistic value, which I can surely appreciate, and films with no more purpose that entertain. And I feel that both are valid and they both have its merits. It's just that I feel that, for a movie to earn massive praise (and I mean similar praise to Boyhood, Moonlight, Godfather...), they have to be thoughtful, reflexive, realistic dramas XD. A blockbustery action dramovie, with no other purpose that entertain (and there are good and bad ways to do that), are never gonna get that level of praise. Even if characters, action, cinematography, etc... is spot on.

We need both but cinema is first and foremost an art so it makes sense, anyways when a blockbuster is really good it gets huge praise, just look MadMax Fury Road (maybe my favourite action movie ever) that movie to me is art but is not exactly an artsy movie, is clearly a blockbuster with cars, explosions, hard men, hot women, many action scenes and all that jazz but it had wonderful critics all around (90 on meta) because it was extremelly well made



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Razeak on 18 July 2017

I've always been interested in the story of Dunkirk. The highest ranking surviving officer of the Titanic, Charles Lightoller, rescued dozens aboard his personal yacht. His life story would be a great Legends of the Fall type movie.



Volterra_90 on 18 July 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
Volterra_90 said:

Problem is that I don't really think that's what cinema is. I mean, we need both. Films with artistic value, which I can surely appreciate, and films with no more purpose that entertain. And I feel that both are valid and they both have its merits. It's just that I feel that, for a movie to earn massive praise (and I mean similar praise to Boyhood, Moonlight, Godfather...), they have to be thoughtful, reflexive, realistic dramas XD. A blockbustery action dramovie, with no other purpose that entertain (and there are good and bad ways to do that), are never gonna get that level of praise. Even if characters, action, cinematography, etc... is spot on.

We need both but cinema is first and foremost an art so it makes sense, anyways when a blockbuster is really good it gets huge praise, just look MadMax Fury Road (maybe my favourite action movie ever) that movie to me is art but is not exactly an artsy movie, is clearly a blockbuster with cars, explosions, hard men, hot women, many action scenes and all that jazz but it had wonderful critics all around (90 on meta) because it was extremelly well made

Hahaha, funny, I thought about the same movie when I was thinking about an exception. It's also my favourite action movie ever, so I'd be pretty pissed off if it didn't get a good reception. But, they're usually way more harsh with those movies. I mean, The Dark Knight was for me the best super-hero movie ever made, and still it hasn't got a 90+ reception. And I think that Nolan is now being praised about this movie, and not so much for his last work, because it's a war movie. Well, I think I have to see it for myself. Maybe it's that superior to his other work XD.



Nuvendil on 18 July 2017
Lawlight said:
Nuvendil said:
I studied film for a time in college and from who I talked to who has studied it for years...yes. Oh goodness yes are there biases. Your "Oscar Bait" movies are long running staples that get doted on by critics, sometimes despite viewers bemoaning them. And yes, big blockbusters or mainstream stuff usually gets a harder time. Hell, you want clear evidence of biases, look no further than this: in the entire history of the award, only ONE speculative fiction film (horror, SciFi, or Fantasy) has ever received Best Picture, and that's Return of the King. Next to none have been nominated.

Thank you. Nolan finally gave in and did an Oscar bait movie but someone should have told him that WW2 movies aren't the in thing anymore - should have a movie about the struggle of black people to get a sure-fire nomination.

Uh, pardon?  This, from what I have thus far seen and read, is not Oscar bait.  Oscar baits are usually more avant garde, more pretentious, aloof, etc, often laced with chin-stroking  (and often faux) intelectualism, sentimentality, etc.  They deal with, what your pretentious academics call, "real issues" ie the ones they feel deserve attention in literature and are usually going to take  t hat slice of life approach.  This just looks like a very well made and somewhat experimental film.  Critics *do* love movies that aren't Oscar bait.  And not all Oscar bait succeeds.  I see no evidence of it here yet, I'll have to see for myself when I see the movie.  



S.Peelman on 18 July 2017

Metacritic is bad for movies, it's always all over the place. Anything goes and scores almost never make sense. IMDb is always much closer to the truth, on IMDb though we'll still have to wait until the general public has seen it.



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taus90 on 18 July 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
Lawlight said:

It's not my logic but reviewers'. Just look at the best movies of 2016 - Manchester By the Sea is 3rd with 96. Such a boring, pedestrian movie but because it's got long still shots then it's art - 96/100. The character doesn't even make sense in that movie. Under The Shadow - 84/100. Another movie where not only not much happens but it's your typical horror movie with a stupid character.

At some point people have to realise that there's a clear bias towards movie that are considered art movies.

Here is the problem, your taste, Manchester by the Sea was a wonderful movie, definitely top 3 movies of 2016 for me.

TASTE!!.. Doesn't that apply to you as well. Its not a secret that off beat cinema is boring to watch as hell, and people who love cinema usually tends to watch those,u will never see a general movie goer go out and watch artsy cinema.. but a movie lover will go out and watch the big block buster.. so instead of Michael Bay I prefer Christopher Nolan movies which are blend of both world.. perfect story structure, engaging screenplay, beautifully composed shots and great sense of music.



The Fury on 18 July 2017

I mean it looks epic but honestly, I think I'm going to see it and feel bored. Plus Harry Styles is in it so it' loses 10 point for that straight away.



Hmm, pie.

Goodnightmoon on 18 July 2017
taus90 said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Here is the problem, your taste, Manchester by the Sea was a wonderful movie, definitely top 3 movies of 2016 for me.

TASTE!!.. Doesn't that apply to you as well. Its not a secret that off beat cinema is boring to watch as hell, and people who love cinema usually tends to watch those,u will never see a general movie goer go out and watch artsy cinema.. but a movie lover will go out and watch the big block buster.. so instead of Michael Bay I prefer Christopher Nolan movies which are blend of both world.. perfect story structure, engaging screenplay, beautifully composed shots and great sense of music. 

Manchester by the Sea is not even what I would call an "artsy" movie (neither a blockbuster) and most people don't find it boring as all the userscores from many webs indicate, is just a great drama, problem here is that Lawlight calls artsy to anything that requires a minimun of sensibility/empathy/maturity and doesn't have superheroes, robots, aliens, explosions, spaceships, ridiculously convoluted plots and things like that.



taus90 on 18 July 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
taus90 said:

TASTE!!.. Doesn't that apply to you as well. Its not a secret that off beat cinema is boring to watch as hell, and people who love cinema usually tends to watch those,u will never see a general movie goer go out and watch artsy cinema.. but a movie lover will go out and watch the big block buster.. so instead of Michael Bay I prefer Christopher Nolan movies which are blend of both world.. perfect story structure, engaging screenplay, beautifully composed shots and great sense of music. 

Manchester by the Sea is not even what I would call an "artsy" movie (neither a blockbuster) and most people don't find it boring as all the userscores from many webs indicate, is just a great drama, problem here is that Lawlight level on cinema is so low than he calls artsy to anything that requires a minimun of sensibility/empathy/maturity and doesn't have superheroes, robots, aliens, explosions, spaceships, ridiculously convoluted plots and things like that.

I m Just pointing out you said it was about Taste. Manchester by the sea is a good movie, not great but thats subjective to my taste.. I dont think there are any bad stories, what makes it bad is the way its told and executed on the big screen, just recently i saw The Judge, the story was great but the execution was sloppy.. even a story about boy meeting girl story could be told in an amazing way.. (titanic).. and this is where Nolan comes in because his movie can cater to different audiences which include law light who like the big explosion & stuff and also respect audience like me and you with mature store telling and doesnt take his audience as idiots.. Barring the third act of Interstellar and TDKR



Goodnightmoon on 18 July 2017
taus90 said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Manchester by the Sea is not even what I would call an "artsy" movie (neither a blockbuster) and most people don't find it boring as all the userscores from many webs indicate, is just a great drama, problem here is that Lawlight level on cinema is so low than he calls artsy to anything that requires a minimun of sensibility/empathy/maturity and doesn't have superheroes, robots, aliens, explosions, spaceships, ridiculously convoluted plots and things like that.

I m Just pointing out you said it was about Taste. Manchester by the sea is a good movie, not great but thats subjective to my taste.. I dont think there are any bad stories, what makes it bad is the way its told and executed on the big screen, just recently i saw The Judge, the story was great but the execution was sloppy.. even a story about boy meeting girl story could be told in an amazing way.. (titanic).. and this is where Nolan comes in because his movie can cater to different audiences which include law light who like the big explosion & stuff and also respect audience like me and you with mature store telling and doesnt take his audience as idiots.. Barring the third act of Interstellar and TDKR

Fair enough, I think the same about the importance of execution over the story btw and yes, Nolan is a great director (a bit too overrated by some though) that can succesfully catter to very different audiences, which is cool.