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Errorist76 on 16 July 2017
Trumpstyle said:
SpokenTruth said:

I give you his own words. 

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One of the things with the wall is you need transparency. You have to be able to see through it. In other words, if you can’t see through that wall — so it could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what’s on the other side of the wall.

And I’ll give you an example. As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them — they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It’s over. As crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/14/good-news-for-border-residents-no-one-is-throwing-60-pound-bags-of-drugs-over-a-50-foot-wall/

Dude you twisted what Donald Trump said. That is not the full quote, when you take things out of context it will from time to time look dumb. My guess is you are a Socialliberal out to get Trump that's why you took it out of context.

 

Here is the full quote

 

Question: You were joking about solar, right?
Trump: No, not joking, no. There is a chance that we can do a solar wall. We have major companies looking at that. Look, there's no better place for solar than the Mexico border -- the southern border. And there is a very good chance we can do a solar wall, which would actually look good. But there is a very good chance we could do a solar wall.
One of the things with the wall is you need transparency. You have to be able to see through it. In other words, if you can't see through that wall — so it could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what's on the other side of the wall.
And I'll give you an example. As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don't see them -- they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It's over. As cray as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall. But we have some incredible designs.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/13/trump-explains-why-he-wants-to-be-able-to-see-through-his-border-wall.html

I hope a moderater can replace the op's quote with this one, thank you

 

Hahaha now it sounds even more ridiculous....



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Machiavellian on 16 July 2017

Building this wall will serve one thing and that will be a lot of jobs for a lot of different companies for years. First we will boaster the renewable energy segment. Then we will have a lot of high tech surveillance so a lot of tech companies will get paid, then you have all the contractors for the actual wall itself. Maybe we throw up a few satellites park them in orbit with high tech surveillance equipment to monitor the wall. Think about the money the government will spend for this wall and the jobs it will create. I see nothing but upside for this wall.



Errorist76 on 16 July 2017
Machiavellian said:

Building this wall will serve one thing and that will be a lot of jobs for a lot of different companies for years. First we will boaster the renewable energy segment. Then we will have a lot of high tech surveillance so a lot of tech companies will get paid, then you have all the contractors for the actual wall itself. Maybe we throw up a few satellites park them in orbit with high tech surveillance equipment to monitor the wall. Think about the money the government will spend for this wall and the jobs it will create. I see nothing but upside for this wall.

 

At least it's better than your usual measures, like starting another war. /s



sethnintendo on 16 July 2017
FIT_Gamer said:
bigjon said:

illegals drain billions from the economy each year. Even if you stopped 20% of them by building a wall it would bring a return on investment in like a year or 2.

The vast majority of illegals actaully pay taxes. About $12 billion/year. Also they pay into SS, money which the majoirty of them will likely never see.

 

How are they paying into SS? Are they using someones else SS? If you are getting paid under the table the only tax you are paying is sales tax when you buy something. Do they contribute something? Yes but I'd argue they are an overall negative especially with our overpriced healthcare system.

FIT_Gamer on 16 July 2017
sethnintendo said:
FIT_Gamer said:

The vast majority of illegals actaully pay taxes. About $12 billion/year. Also they pay into SS, money which the majoirty of them will likely never see.

 

How are they paying into SS? Are they using someones else SS? If you are getting paid under the table the only tax you are paying is sales tax when you buy something. Do they contribute something? Yes but I'd argue they are an overall negative especially with our overpriced healthcare system.

Fake I.D. Undocumented immigrants have paid over $100 Billion in just SS in last 10 years. Also 80% work legitmate jobs that require them to pay taxes. 



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sethnintendo on 17 July 2017
SpokenTruth said:
bigjon said:

illegals drain billions from the economy each year. Even if you stopped 20% of them by building a wall it would bring a return on investment in like a year or 2.

You might want to look up the actual facts.  Someone lied to you.

sethnintendo said:

 

How are they paying into SS? Are they using someones else SS? If you are getting paid under the table the only tax you are paying is sales tax when you buy something. Do they contribute something? Yes but I'd argue they are an overall negative especially with our overpriced healthcare system.

Look up TIN, EIN and ITIN.  You don't need a SS to pay taxes.  Why do people not know this stuff?

 

Because I was born here and have no previous need to understand this topic. If you want to act like people don't get paid under the table then so be it. It happens and you can't deny it.

Azuren on 17 July 2017

Most illegal immigrants come in over airplanes or otherwise enter legally, only to stay past their welcome and become illegal.



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Tulipanzo on 17 July 2017
sethnintendo said:
SpokenTruth said:

You might want to look up the actual facts.  Someone lied to you.

Look up TIN, EIN and ITIN.  You don't need a SS to pay taxes.  Why do people not know this stuff?

 

Because I was born here and have no previous need to understand this topic. If you want to act like people don't get paid under the table then so be it. It happens and you can't deny it.

Trumpism in a nutshell



Machiavellian on 17 July 2017
sethnintendo said:
SpokenTruth said:

You might want to look up the actual facts.  Someone lied to you.

Look up TIN, EIN and ITIN.  You don't need a SS to pay taxes.  Why do people not know this stuff?

 

Because I was born here and have no previous need to understand this topic. If you want to act like people don't get paid under the table then so be it. It happens and you can't deny it.

If the situation was not something you know or cared about before, why would you care now.  In other words, Trump made it an issue so now you are aware of an issue but still lack a lot of information to make an informed opinion on the subject.  Now you speak about the subject with limited information and its someone else fault you did not know enough to make a comment.

There are a lot of jobs that pay under the table and you can believe they do not include illegal immigrants.  Not putting my business out there but I definitly have exclusive information on many such jobs and none of the people getting paided were illegal immigrants.



Wyrdness on 17 July 2017

If anyone is still stupid enough to believe the notion of a wall happening and working then quite frankly you should put the bong down.