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ArchangelMadzz on 16 July 2017

How can you read the transcript of his words and not think he's a total invalid?



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Puppyroach on 16 July 2017

He's reasoning like a three year old! He should be taken of as president, simply because he is incapable and to stupid to manage the position as president.



acer67 on 16 July 2017

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205724/How-65-countries-erected-security-walls-borders.html

why do all these other countries have walls if such a bad idea



VGPolyglot on 16 July 2017
Puppyroach said:
He's reasoning like a three year old! He should be taken of as president, simply because he is incapable and to stupid to manage the position as president.

This is what's unfortunate to me, instead of people viewing the position of the presidency as a problem, a lot fo people see the replacement of Trump with someone else as the end goal.



Dark_Lord_2008 on 16 July 2017

Anyone will be a better President than Trump. Even the majority of the Republicans want Trump gone. Trump will be a one term wonder President providing he does not get impeached and booted out of office.



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Torillian on 16 July 2017
Trumpstyle said:
SpokenTruth said:

I give you his own words. 

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One of the things with the wall is you need transparency. You have to be able to see through it. In other words, if you can’t see through that wall — so it could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what’s on the other side of the wall.

And I’ll give you an example. As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them — they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It’s over. As crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/14/good-news-for-border-residents-no-one-is-throwing-60-pound-bags-of-drugs-over-a-50-foot-wall/

Dude you twisted what Donald Trump said. That is not the full quote, when you take things out of context it will from time to time look dumb. My guess is you are a Socialliberal out to get Trump that's why you took it out of context.

 

Here is the full quote

 

Question: You were joking about solar, right?
Trump: No, not joking, no. There is a chance that we can do a solar wall. We have major companies looking at that. Look, there's no better place for solar than the Mexico border -- the southern border. And there is a very good chance we can do a solar wall, which would actually look good. But there is a very good chance we could do a solar wall.
One of the things with the wall is you need transparency. You have to be able to see through it. In other words, if you can't see through that wall — so it could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what's on the other side of the wall.
And I'll give you an example. As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don't see them -- they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It's over. As cray as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall. But we have some incredible designs.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/13/trump-explains-why-he-wants-to-be-able-to-see-through-his-border-wall.html

I hope a moderater can replace the op's quote with this one, thank you

How does that context make it better? 



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Pemalite on 16 July 2017
acer67 said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205724/How-65-countries-erected-security-walls-borders.html

why do all these other countries have walls if such a bad idea

Walls in general are good pieces of security.
Trumps wall however is useless.



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SvennoJ on 16 July 2017
Trumpstyle said:

Dude you twisted what Donald Trump said. That is not the full quote, when you take things out of context it will from time to time look dumb. My guess is you are a Socialliberal out to get Trump that's why you took it out of context.

 

Here is the full quote

 

Question: You were joking about solar, right?
Trump: No, not joking, no. There is a chance that we can do a solar wall. We have major companies looking at that. Look, there's no better place for solar than the Mexico border -- the southern border. And there is a very good chance we can do a solar wall, which would actually look good. But there is a very good chance we could do a solar wall.
One of the things with the wall is you need transparency. You have to be able to see through it. In other words, if you can't see through that wall — so it could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what's on the other side of the wall.
And I'll give you an example. As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don't see them -- they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It's over. As cray as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall. But we have some incredible designs.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/13/trump-explains-why-he-wants-to-be-able-to-see-through-his-border-wall.html

I hope a moderater can replace the op's quote with this one, thank you

That only makes it worse. A fixed wall is not very efficient for solar, solar roofs or tracking panels work much better. Besides Mexico is to the south, angle your solar panels correctly and you basically have a big ramp for Mexicans to climb over ;) Plus the infrastructure needed to regulate and transport power and maintain the solar panels will add a lot of costs.

Now put all that wall money into efficient solar farms instead. Then you have something useful.



Dark_Lord_2008 on 16 July 2017

America needs a great leader that will implement policies to protect the environment, reduce economic inequality and create a socially inclusive society that does not discriminate against anyone regardless of their differences. Instead of building walls, America should be building bridges.



Errorist76 on 16 July 2017
Illusion said:
Pemalite said:

The wall will do squat.
People will simply go under it like they do now.
Or go over it like they do now.
Or go by the ocean like they do now.
Or blow a hole through it.

All you are doing is wasting your time, money and resources... And for what?

I mean, didn't your wall get downgraded to a fence in areas by trump? I am an Australian... And we are the world leading experts on building fences, we have the longest fence in the world. It doesn't keep out humans. It only keeps out rabbits. Think about that for a moment please.

What the USA needs to do is make it unattractive for illegal migrants.
Put in measures and red tape that makes it difficult for migrants to work in the USA.
Have better border patrols that turn away migrants and drugs.

Work with Mexico to make it more attractive for their citizens to stay in their own country by providing job opportunities (The USA could also profit from that too!) and stamping out corruption/drug cartels.

Building a wall that will do nothing and burying your head in the sand solves nothing. It never has. Never will.

The wall is a symbol and a statement to the world, a wall without the accompanying policy changes would obviously not be very effective in the 21st century as a barrier.  The wall says that Trump cares about the concerns of the people inside his country before anyone else and that he is not afraid of making bold statements when negotiating with Mexico, when supporting and bolstering the border patrol and taking other measurable actions like the ones that you have mentioned above to curb illegal immigration.  Trump has already cut illegal immigration into the States by 40% and that is without having a wall.  For 30 years the US has had loser politicians who have promised the sky to Americans but then not only failed to deliver but actually sold America out to a bunch of multi-national elites who profit from fake wars and who want global control.  For decades, the US government and media have behaved in a spineless, politically correct, and over-appeasing manner when interacting the rest of the world and the wall is a statement of that trend being reversed.

You might think that the wall is a waste of money, but never under-estimate the power of a symbol both to rally the people at home as well as a message to the world at large.

The only symbolism that it has is that you've become a f'in backward country. Which is clear by your elected president already.