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THE DRAGON AND THE WOLF RATING

10 83 35.78%
 
9 61 26.29%
 
8 38 16.38%
 
7 23 9.91%
 
6 10 4.31%
 
5 4 1.72%
 
4 1 0.43%
 
3 1 0.43%
 
2 1 0.43%
 
1 10 4.31%
 
Total:232

Its funny reading some of the comments of episode 7. while i know its their own opinion and i respect that, i'm so glad im not so fussy and serious as those people about this TV show as their own views are basically making them not enjoy what is a great TV show.



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Solid episode, nicely wrapped up some loose ends and answered some questions that had risen during this season. Also nice set-up for the next season, even though it was predictable. Best thing was that this episode felt a bit more grounded again, for a moment I feared they'd teleport to the wall after the King's Landing meeting. Not much action though, and not as shocking as previous finales (especially Season 6's), though my heart did stop for a very brief moment during the Cersei/Jaime part. I guess Brienne'll be happy.

Overall I feel the 7 episode-setup didn't help the season in any way because often things would feel a bit rushed, with the teleporting as a consequence, or things are left too vague. The could have definitely just filled a full 10 episode season just fine. I really hope the next season's rumoured 6 episodes aren't set in stone yet. Partly due to this, there were a small handful of "okay" episodes, but just "okay" isn't good enough for Game of Thrones. Then though it did also have one of the greatest episodes in The Spoils of War. I think Season 5 remains my least favorite, but this this season is below the last and doesn't come close to Seasons 3 and 4. A rewatch at some point may change this view though, for better or worse.



I guess they decided to do another season I guess HBO couldn't drop the show yet too much of a money maker



StokedUp said:
Its funny reading some of the comments of episode 7. while i know its their own opinion and i respect that, i'm so glad im not so fussy and serious as those people about this TV show as their own views are basically making them not enjoy what is a great TV show.

I am actually very forgiving of flawed story telling. I liked Batman vs Superman despite its glaring problems and the excessive shoehorning. I also liked season 5 and 6 of GoT despite the dip in quality. Season 7 is almost objectively horrible, and it's saddening that the writers greenlit the script for this season.



LurkerJ said:
StokedUp said:
Its funny reading some of the comments of episode 7. while i know its their own opinion and i respect that, i'm so glad im not so fussy and serious as those people about this TV show as their own views are basically making them not enjoy what is a great TV show.

I am actually very forgiving of flawed story telling. I liked Batman vs Superman despite its glaring problems and the excessive shoehorning. I also liked season 5 and 6 of GoT despite the dip in quality. Season 7 is almost objectively horrible, and it's saddening that the writers greenlit the script for this season.

Something that occurred to me:

The reason Varys was so useles, while Littlefinger was not as cunning and calculative as beforeis because (sadly) the show keeps going away from the Iron Throne, to the far less compelling White Walkers. So it makes sense in the mind of the writers those characters took a backseat, the Game is not the focus anymore.



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Worst season by far, and the last episode was terrible.

Littlefinger's end was so badly done that it felt the writers were mocking the public. No dead dragon can make up for that scene.



Cyberworld7 said:
I guess they decided to do another season I guess HBO couldn't drop the show yet too much of a money maker

I don't know what you're on about. Season 8 was confirmed (and confirmed to be the last one) before they even started production on season 7.



Hiku said:
LurkerJ said:

What a ridiculous way to let Petyr Baelish go, horrible, just horrible writing.

What was he trying to achieve anyway? Get Sansa to kill Arya and then what? What was his end-game here? Yeah, nothing. Just trolling the sisters with no long term plans, the writer forced a "twist" that everyone saw coming. Fuck off. Having Sansa and Arya turn on each other was artificial as fuck and just a big waste of time. Having Petyr, the man with so much to hide, hanging around the three-eyed raven AFTER he experienced Bran's magical powers first hand is just... stupid.

Yeah that wasn't really clear.
Get everyone in Sansa's life killed so he could manipulate her more easily when she is by herself? But no one ever had to point out to her that she shouldn't trust Littlefinger. She was always the first one to acknowledge that. And he should know that she doesn't trust him, and never will after what he did to someone else he claimed to love.

It seemed like his ambitions were far higher than just Sansa previously.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRS8a8HjqFs

That's how his story ends?
Begging for his life after failing to get rid of one Stark girl, when his ambitions seemed much more grandiouse before.

That said, the way he died still felt satisfying in some ways. But rushed, and not due to the circumstances I would have expected of someone with his ambitions.
For all his talk of climbing the ladder of chaos, he was stuck at the lower steps aiming for Sansa. I expected him to get a bit higher, or at least allude to his goals in a more concrete way, before getting killed. Even if it would be by Sansa.

I got no satisfaction from that at all, only disgust for the series.

They try to create this whole atmosphere of sisters outsmarting Baelish, but the truth is that even with Professor Xavier on their side, the real Littlefinger would handle them their asses in an actual trial. There is not one thing they can actually prove that matters or is not already public knowledge. Out of my head, I believe the main accusations were

1 - Killing Lysa - Which is just plain stupid, since Sansa had testified IN FAVOR of Baelish 2 seasons ago. Not only this would never stick, but actually brings this up would just mean LF's can point how much inconsistent she is and tear her up from there, or just claim her as a partner in this crime. This is the one thing Sansa could NEVER bring up.

2- Making Lysa write lies to instigate Starks against Lannister - The letter was written by Lysa and then BURNED by Cat. Are you freaking kidding me?

3- Putting a knife on Ned's throat - Was this not public Knowledge? There were like 40 persons in the room at the time. Wouldn't Cersei just let everyone knows about this after LF's ally with the north. Would it matter? Officially Ned was throwing a cue. Hell Ned actually publicly acknowledges this to avoid the war.

Also very rich comming from someone married to a Lannister and wrote a letter asking for their own family to bend the knee and submit to Joffrey. I can honestly just picture LF laughing at this point.

4- Selling her to the Boltons - I am honestly just confused.
Is this a secret? Does anyone knows what LF's got from deal? Do we (the viewers) know what he got from this deal? Hell, does even LF knows what he got? The show always seemed to imply that LF had no idea about how the Boltons were. How responsible is him for Bolton action? Even if he knew they were jerks, would he be responsible? What is the goddam accussation here?

Not only it took ex-machina over ex-machina to get LF's to a tight spot, but LF's had to be complete out of character, and for me this makes this scene one of the worst I ever saw on a show or movie. There is so much wrong going on there that I think this will be an example of how not to do a plot twist.

And this is not to point other things like how the build up of Sansa and Arya making threats in particular conversations or sending Brienne away just made them look stupid, or to point out this was the first time a Stark passed a sentence, but did not swinged the sword.



vkaraujo said:
Hiku said:

Yeah that wasn't really clear.
Get everyone in Sansa's life killed so he could manipulate her more easily when she is by herself? But no one ever had to point out to her that she shouldn't trust Littlefinger. She was always the first one to acknowledge that. And he should know that she doesn't trust him, and never will after what he did to someone else he claimed to love.

It seemed like his ambitions were far higher than just Sansa previously.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRS8a8HjqFs

That's how his story ends?
Begging for his life after failing to get rid of one Stark girl, when his ambitions seemed much more grandiouse before.

That said, the way he died still felt satisfying in some ways. But rushed, and not due to the circumstances I would have expected of someone with his ambitions.
For all his talk of climbing the ladder of chaos, he was stuck at the lower steps aiming for Sansa. I expected him to get a bit higher, or at least allude to his goals in a more concrete way, before getting killed. Even if it would be by Sansa.

I got no satisfaction from that at all, only disgust for the series.

They try to create this whole atmosphere of sisters outsmarting Baelish, but the truth is that even with Professor Xavier on their side, the real Littlefinger would handle them their asses in an actual trial. There is not one thing they can actually prove that matters or is not already public knowledge. Out of my head, I believe the main accusations were

1 - Killing Lysa - Which is just plain stupid, since Sansa had testified IN FAVOR of Baelish 2 seasons ago. Not only this would never stick, but actually brings this up would just mean LF's can point how much inconsistent she is and tear her up from there, or just claim her as a partner in this crime. This is the one thing Sansa could NEVER bring up.

2- Making Lysa write lies to instigate Starks against Lannister - The letter was written by Lysa and then BURNED by Cat. Are you freaking kidding me?

3- Putting a knife on Ned's throat - Was this not public Knowledge? There were like 40 persons in the room at the time. Would Cersei just let everyone knows about this after LF's ally with the north. Would it matter? Officially Ned was throwing a cue. Hell Ned actually publicly acknowledges this to avoid the war.

Also very rich comming from someone married to a Lannister and wrote a letter asking for their own family to bend the knee and submit to Joffrey. I can honestly just picture LF laughing at this point.

4- Selling her to the Boltons - I am honestly just confused.
Is this a secret? Does anyone knows what LF's got from deal? Do we (the viewers) know what he got from this deal? Hell, does even LF knows what he got? The show always seemed to imply that LF had no idea about how the Boltons were. How responsible is him for Bolton action? Even if he knew they were jerks, would he be responsible? What is the goddam accussation here?

Not only it took ex-machina over ex-machina to get LF's to a tight spot, but LF's had to be complete out of character, and for me this makes this scene one of the worst I ever saw on a show or movie. There is so much wrong going on there that I think this will be an example of how not to do a plot twist.

And this is not to point other things like how the build up of Sansa and Arya making threats in particular conversations or sending Brienne away just made them look stupid, or to point out this was the first time a Stark passed a sentence, but did not swinged the sword.

The last part of your thing also bothered me. Even Arya acknowledged it at some point.

Granted Sansa probably has never held a sword in her life, but it would have been a cool callback had she been the one.



morenoingrato said:
LurkerJ said:

I am actually very forgiving of flawed story telling. I liked Batman vs Superman despite its glaring problems and the excessive shoehorning. I also liked season 5 and 6 of GoT despite the dip in quality. Season 7 is almost objectively horrible, and it's saddening that the writers greenlit the script for this season.

Something that occurred to me:

The reason Varys was so useles, while Littlefinger was not as cunning and calculative as beforeis because (sadly) the show keeps going away from the Iron Throne, to the far less compelling White Walkers. So it makes sense in the mind of the writers those characters took a backseat, the Game is not the focus anymore.

Bran disappeared for a whole season and hardly anyone missed him. Characters taking a backseat isn't a problem, however, smart characters acting purposefully dumb just to set up a twist and getting themselves killed in the process is unforgivable. In fact, I'd complain much less of litle finger received the Varys treatment, fade into a minor character instead of a completely different one.

If I was a writer on the show, I'd have Baelish striking a deal with the night king himself, ridiculous I know, but that's more in line with the real Baelish than the Baelish we had during the entire season. As I mentioned before, Baelish storyline wasn't the only problem, but it's the one that bothered me the most, especially that most of Arya and Sansa screentime was dedicated to buidling up for Littlefinger's final moments. Moreover, many major characters serve no other purpose than being arbitary plot devices while being one dimensional or showing no personality whatsoever. Euron is a perfect example of that as I explained before. 

Oh well, I just need to find a new show to satify me. Watching American Gods and it's good-to-great so far

Meanwhile, Sophie is apparently as dumb as Sansa from season 1:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-sophie-turner-sansa-stark-littlefinger-fan-defense-shut-down-twitter-a7922376.html