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NawaiNey said:
Chazore said:

Nothing to get "real" about. The gen isn't even over and the Switch has only been out for not even a year yet. Also your talk about quality in it's own right is entirely subjective. What is "cream of the crop" to you is garbage to someone else, like how you see Ninty's 1st party.

I like how you included Wii, despite the fact that system sold a ton and made absolute bank as well as slaughtering last gen systems by numbers.

Meta ratings or the highway?, wtf are you smoking?.

Please yourself....

If everything is so blatantly subjective then why'd you even call out the guy who said no one could compete with Sony? that's also his opinion, no?

We need to have some data to have an argument buddy. And I'm sorry but One console having a more highly reviewed games across the industry than 4 nintedno systems combined is a pretty clear sign that Nintendo can't compete. You can claim subjectivity if it was a small difference, but this thing is pretty clear cut, there's no room for your terribly biased opinion here.

First of all, you failed at analyzing your own comparison.

Wii (199) + 3DS (137) + Wii U (101) + Switch (27) = 464 games above 75

PS4 = 393 games above 75

The PS4 does not have more highly rated games than those four systems. And even if it did, it wouldn't matter. A console library doesn't linearly increase in appeal with each additional game above some metascore threshold. No one is going to buy and play 400 games for a single console. Most console owners don't even pass 10 games. Even though Nintendo consoles have fewer games overall because of limited third party support, each individual first party game that they publish has more appeal to the general public.

Take, for example, the 3DS and PS4. Nintendo has published six 3DS games that have sold more than 10 million. Sony has published zero PS4 games that have sold above 10 million, and only five games above 5 million.

This hold true no matter how far down the list you go. Nintendo software on the 3DS stands at 189 million, while Sony software on the PS4 is just 61 million, despite the PS4 having a higher attach rate and higher total software sales.

People agree that Nintendo has the best first party support out of all console manufacturers because their first party games simply appeal to many more people than either Sony's or Microsoft's.



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DialgaMarine said:

 Switch and PS4*

I think Sony hit the nail on the head; for devoted console users, the ideal combo is PS4 + Switch. Both are selling very well, and in some ways even complimenting each other. There's just no need to own a XB1 right now. 

Especially if you have a computer.



StarDoor said:
NawaiNey said:

If everything is so blatantly subjective then why'd you even call out the guy who said no one could compete with Sony? that's also his opinion, no?

We need to have some data to have an argument buddy. And I'm sorry but One console having a more highly reviewed games across the industry than 4 nintedno systems combined is a pretty clear sign that Nintendo can't compete. You can claim subjectivity if it was a small difference, but this thing is pretty clear cut, there's no room for your terribly biased opinion here.

First of all, you failed at analyzing your own comparison.

Wii (199) + 3DS (137) + Wii U (101) + Switch (27) = 464 games above 75

PS4 = 393 games above 75

The PS4 does not have more highly rated games than those four systems. And even if it did, it wouldn't matter. A console library doesn't linearly increase in appeal with each additional game above some metascore threshold. No one is going to buy and play 400 games for a single console. Most console owners don't even pass 10 games. Even though Nintendo consoles have fewer games overall because of limited third party support, each individual first party game that they publish has more appeal to the general public.

Take, for example, the 3DS and PS4. Nintendo has published six 3DS games that have sold more than 10 million. Sony has published zero PS4 games that have sold above 10 million, and only five games above 5 million.

This hold true no matter how far down the list you go. Nintendo software on the 3DS stands at 189 million, while Sony software on the PS4 is just 61 million, despite the PS4 having a higher attach rate and higher total software sales.

People agree that Nintendo has the best first party support out of all console manufacturers because their first party games simply appeal to many more people than either Sony's or Microsoft's.

Yes we saw the appeal of Nintendo's first party with the Wii U. It was very telling. 

Sony games don't sell as much because of the reason you stated yourself, most people don't go past 10 games on a console, and on playstation console those sales are split among many more games than on Nintendo's because there's just far less worthwhile games, so most people just buy the same 10 games.



NawaiNey said:

Yes we saw the appeal of Nintendo's first party with the Wii U. It was very telling. 

Sony games don't sell as much because of the reason you stated yourself, most people don't go past 10 games on a console, and on playstation console those sales are split among many more games than on Nintendo's because there's just far less worthwhile games, so most people just buy the same 10 games.

Wii U was a cluster fuck.  If Nintendo gets the system and marketing right then you might expect Wii, DS, Game Boy type sales.



sethnintendo said:
DialgaMarine said:

 Switch and PS4*

I think Sony hit the nail on the head; for devoted console users, the ideal combo is PS4 + Switch. Both are selling very well, and in some ways even complimenting each other. There's just no need to own a XB1 right now. 

Especially if you have a computer.

 Literally, if you own a decent PC, all bets are off. The only reason to own a XB1 at that point is if you're simply infatuated with the logo. :/



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NawaiNey said:
StarDoor said:

First of all, you failed at analyzing your own comparison.

Wii (199) + 3DS (137) + Wii U (101) + Switch (27) = 464 games above 75

PS4 = 393 games above 75

The PS4 does not have more highly rated games than those four systems. And even if it did, it wouldn't matter. A console library doesn't linearly increase in appeal with each additional game above some metascore threshold. No one is going to buy and play 400 games for a single console. Most console owners don't even pass 10 games. Even though Nintendo consoles have fewer games overall because of limited third party support, each individual first party game that they publish has more appeal to the general public.

Take, for example, the 3DS and PS4. Nintendo has published six 3DS games that have sold more than 10 million. Sony has published zero PS4 games that have sold above 10 million, and only five games above 5 million.

This hold true no matter how far down the list you go. Nintendo software on the 3DS stands at 189 million, while Sony software on the PS4 is just 61 million, despite the PS4 having a higher attach rate and higher total software sales.

People agree that Nintendo has the best first party support out of all console manufacturers because their first party games simply appeal to many more people than either Sony's or Microsoft's.

Yes we saw the appeal of Nintendo's first party with the Wii U. It was very telling. 

Sony games don't sell as much because of the reason you stated yourself, most people don't go past 10 games on a console, and on playstation console those sales are split among many more games than on Nintendo's because there's just far less worthwhile games, so most people just buy the same 10 games.

Yes, it is very telling that even the Wii U (63 million) has sold more first-party software than the PS4 (61 million).

I can't believe I have to explain this to you, but people don't buy consoles before deciding on which games to buy; they buy consoles only after there are enough worthwhile games already announced or released. People think that Nintendo software is more worthwhile than Sony software, which is why they feel justified in purchasing a console with fewer games.



StarDoor said:
NawaiNey said:

If everything is so blatantly subjective then why'd you even call out the guy who said no one could compete with Sony? that's also his opinion, no?

We need to have some data to have an argument buddy. And I'm sorry but One console having a more highly reviewed games across the industry than 4 nintedno systems combined is a pretty clear sign that Nintendo can't compete. You can claim subjectivity if it was a small difference, but this thing is pretty clear cut, there's no room for your terribly biased opinion here.

First of all, you failed at analyzing your own comparison.

Wii (199) + 3DS (137) + Wii U (101) + Switch (27) = 464 games above 75

PS4 = 393 games above 75

The PS4 does not have more highly rated games than those four systems. And even if it did, it wouldn't matter. A console library doesn't linearly increase in appeal with each additional game above some metascore threshold. No one is going to buy and play 400 games for a single console. Most console owners don't even pass 10 games. Even though Nintendo consoles have fewer games overall because of limited third party support, each individual first party game that they publish has more appeal to the general public.

Take, for example, the 3DS and PS4. Nintendo has published six 3DS games that have sold more than 10 million. Sony has published zero PS4 games that have sold above 10 million, and only five games above 5 million.

This hold true no matter how far down the list you go. Nintendo software on the 3DS stands at 189 million, while Sony software on the PS4 is just 61 million, despite the PS4 having a higher attach rate and higher total software sales.

People agree that Nintendo has the best first party support out of all console manufacturers because their first party games simply appeal to many more people than either Sony's or Microsoft's.

 

yeah. I mean, put ANY other console maker over the years and put them through what ninty's been through in the 95~05 era. no one else could have survived that situation. hell sega couldn't, and they had the best first party after ninty.

the wii U sold enough to recoperate something cause of ninty first party. nintendo handhelds always prevail cause of ninty first party. 

what would be sony wihout third party? hell even losing all of squarexix's mainline FF, DQ, and KH would severely cut down sony's shares. and thats just one company.

no one can create a diverse, yet high quality (well 90% of the time... but at least you don't see glitchfests like sonic 06!) first party lineup like ninty can.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
NawaiNey said:

Get real bro. Nintendo's first party is no where as good as Sony's and to top it off they have almost no worthwhile 3rd party support. How do you imagine it's going to compete with PS4's library? 

Look at some telling signs...Wii+3DS+Wii U+Switch libraries combined have 374 games with a 75+ rating on metacritic. PS4 alone already has almost 400. You're really holding out hope that Switch alone will be able to compete with PS4? Please...

Talk about libraries all you want, but it's very arguable that Nintendo's first party is better than Sony's. Maybe not at this moment because the console *just launched* lol

It's not very arguable at all. Nintendo's first party is tailored towards a niche part of the market and they absolutely love those games but the rest of the market does not.  I'm sure there's some game lists with metacore averages floating around here if you feel like saying otherwise.



TheBraveGallade said:
StarDoor said:

First of all, you failed at analyzing your own comparison.

Wii (199) + 3DS (137) + Wii U (101) + Switch (27) = 464 games above 75

PS4 = 393 games above 75

The PS4 does not have more highly rated games than those four systems. And even if it did, it wouldn't matter. A console library doesn't linearly increase in appeal with each additional game above some metascore threshold. No one is going to buy and play 400 games for a single console. Most console owners don't even pass 10 games. Even though Nintendo consoles have fewer games overall because of limited third party support, each individual first party game that they publish has more appeal to the general public.

Take, for example, the 3DS and PS4. Nintendo has published six 3DS games that have sold more than 10 million. Sony has published zero PS4 games that have sold above 10 million, and only five games above 5 million.

This hold true no matter how far down the list you go. Nintendo software on the 3DS stands at 189 million, while Sony software on the PS4 is just 61 million, despite the PS4 having a higher attach rate and higher total software sales.

People agree that Nintendo has the best first party support out of all console manufacturers because their first party games simply appeal to many more people than either Sony's or Microsoft's.

 

yeah. I mean, put ANY other console maker over the years and put them through what ninty's been through in the 95~05 era. no one else could have survived that situation. hell sega couldn't, and they had the best first party after ninty.

the wii U sold enough to recoperate something cause of ninty first party. nintendo handhelds always prevail cause of ninty first party. 

what would be sony wihout third party? hell even losing all of squarexix's mainline FF, DQ, and KH would severely cut down sony's shares. and thats just one company.

no one can create a diverse, yet high quality (well 90% of the time... but at least you don't see glitchfests like sonic 06!) first party lineup like ninty can.

Sony first party has been better than Ninty since last gen. Sony had twice as many high rated games as nintedo on PS3 than Ninty did on Wii. that's the last complete gen we saw where both consoles sold well. Problem is you guys keep flip flopping on what constitues a better library, you switch between sales as metric on one hand and when Nintendo fails in that regard then you switch to critical acclaim. 

Nintedo games sell better because there's no competition from 3rd party software on their consoles. And when it comes to this gen I'm sure Sony first party will be have better selling AND more critically acclaimed games than nintendo. Sony Worldwide Studios only came into being last gen, so it's still relatively new but already better than Nintendo, and this gen is well on it's way to proving that for the second time critically and first time commercially as well.



I find the fact that this thread on low XBox sales has moved to discussing Sony and Nintendo's games very telling