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Nem said:

I actually liked his Terminator movie. Was sad that didn't continue. I also liked the one after that, but reviewers didn't. I just don't get what people want...

He never made a terminator movie.



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bigtakilla said:
Goodnightmoon said:

The whole movie has a great atmosphere, great pacing, very memorable scenes and is just beutifully shooted, it was a great experience to see for the first time and I loved how different the tone was from every other movie on the genre back then, I remember even the most skeptics to this kind of movies were pretty impressed, many thought superhero/antihero movies were bad by default, Dark Knight broke this taboo for a lot of them.

It was done well, but a masterclass? I'd say 300 and the use of color, speed ramping, and proper use of set design with painted backgrounds have more to offer someone looking to gain a better grasp of great direction. Or Sin City and V for Vendetta with it's use of colors vs black and white, proper use of negative space, great blocking. Or hell, even the Star Wars original trilogy. We spent a WHOLE DAY in film theory discussing the "terrible looking" fight scene between Vador and Luke. 

 

I wouldn't use The Dark Knight trilogy as an example of directing masterclass. It was a bunch of professionals doing a damn good job and making a solid film.

 

*edit* Also forgot about Psycho. It's use of blacks and whites as well as shot positions and allegory to themes of birds in it's main antagonist is impressive. Did you know Alfred Hitchcock invented to modern way we storyboard films. F'n impressive director.

Empire's fight scene was amazing, it was much more around character development and Luke's progression than most fight scenes are..



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
bigtakilla said:

It was done well, but a masterclass? I'd say 300 and the use of color, speed ramping, and proper use of set design with painted backgrounds have more to offer someone looking to gain a better grasp of great direction. Or Sin City and V for Vendetta with it's use of colors vs black and white, proper use of negative space, great blocking. Or hell, even the Star Wars original trilogy. We spent a WHOLE DAY in film theory discussing the "terrible looking" fight scene between Vador and Luke. 

 

I wouldn't use The Dark Knight trilogy as an example of directing masterclass. It was a bunch of professionals doing a damn good job and making a solid film.

 

*edit* Also forgot about Psycho. It's use of blacks and whites as well as shot positions and allegory to themes of birds in it's main antagonist is impressive. Did you know Alfred Hitchcock invented to modern way we storyboard films. F'n impressive director.

Empire's fight scene was amazing, it was much more around character development and Luke's progression than most fight scenes are..

Exactly, it is Luke's struggle between going to the dark side. lighting played a key instrument as well as shot angle, it's visuals telling the story with no monologue at all and using all elements of visual film making and having THAT tell the story. That's masterclass directing.



I think Casino Royale basically already did what Nolan would want to do. It's essentially the Batman Begins of the Bondverse. 

To be honest I think the Bond movies have become too damn serious and dry. Have some freaking fun.



bigtakilla said:
Goodnightmoon said:

The whole movie has a great atmosphere, great pacing, very memorable scenes and is just beutifully shooted, it was a great experience to see for the first time and I loved how different the tone was from every other movie on the genre back then, I remember even the most skeptics to this kind of movies were pretty impressed, many thought superhero/antihero movies were bad by default, Dark Knight broke this taboo for a lot of them.

It was done well, but a masterclass? I'd say 300 and the use of color, speed ramping, and proper use of set design with painted backgrounds have more to offer someone looking to gain a better grasp of great direction. Or Sin City and V for Vendetta with it's use of colors vs black and white, proper use of negative space, great blocking. Or hell, even the Star Wars original trilogy. We spent a WHOLE DAY in film theory discussing the "terrible looking" fight scene between Vador and Luke. 

 

I wouldn't use The Dark Knight trilogy as an example of directing masterclass. It was a bunch of professionals doing a damn good job and making a solid film.

 

*edit* Also forgot about Psycho. It's use of blacks and whites as well as shot positions and allegory to themes of birds in it's main antagonist is impressive. Did you know Alfred Hitchcock invented to modern way we storyboard films. F'n impressive director.

I'm curious as to your definition of the word 'masterclass'? What criteria is missing from the Dark Knight (not the other two films)? It was too professionally made? What would it need to do to be considered masterclass?



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fielding88 said:
bigtakilla said:

It was done well, but a masterclass? I'd say 300 and the use of color, speed ramping, and proper use of set design with painted backgrounds have more to offer someone looking to gain a better grasp of great direction. Or Sin City and V for Vendetta with it's use of colors vs black and white, proper use of negative space, great blocking. Or hell, even the Star Wars original trilogy. We spent a WHOLE DAY in film theory discussing the "terrible looking" fight scene between Vador and Luke. 

 

I wouldn't use The Dark Knight trilogy as an example of directing masterclass. It was a bunch of professionals doing a damn good job and making a solid film.

 

*edit* Also forgot about Psycho. It's use of blacks and whites as well as shot positions and allegory to themes of birds in it's main antagonist is impressive. Did you know Alfred Hitchcock invented to modern way we storyboard films. F'n impressive director.

I'm curious as to your definition of the word 'masterclass'? What criteria is missing from the Dark Knight (not the other two films)? It was too professionally made? What would it need to do to be considered masterclass?

There's a certain level of visual storytelling that is required to say something is a masterclass of direction. The Dark Knight is like a great punk song. The four chords they play can be played perfectly and in perfect tune. The vocal pitch can be dead on, but I still wouldn't say the typical four chord punk song is a masterclass of songwriting.

 

*edit* And it's not that The Dark Knight was "too well made" as much as it was made extremely well with nothing standing out as exceptional.

 

I'll give an example too.

https://youtu.be/U1MnMA0TzGI

Watch this, and think about what the lighting, camera angles, colors, and blocking (essentially what's in the shot) are all telling you in this scene. That's masterclass directing.



bigtakilla said:
fielding88 said:

I'm curious as to your definition of the word 'masterclass'? What criteria is missing from the Dark Knight (not the other two films)? It was too professionally made? What would it need to do to be considered masterclass?

There's a certain level of visual storytelling that is required to say something is a masterclass of direction. The Dark Knight is like a great punk song. The four chords they play can be played perfectly and in perfect tune. The vocal pitch can be dead on, but I still wouldn't say the typical four chord punk song is a masterclass of songwriting.

 

*edit* And it's not that The Dark Knight was "too well made" as much as it was made extremely well with nothing standing out as exceptional.

 

I'll give an example too.

https://youtu.be/U1MnMA0TzGI

Watch this, and think about what the lighting, camera angles, colors, and blocking (essentially what's in the shot) are all telling you in this scene. That's masterclass directing.

I suspect what youre describing is closer in definition to masterclass cinematography or art direction. I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but it's assuming that TDK would be considered typical of its genre or typical of filmmaking in general, of which I'm not quite convinced based on its overall reception. Even in the superhero genre it's far different in style than many of its contemporaries. Also, sound plays an extremely large role in masterclass storytelling, which is an area I think Christopher Nolan definitely pays attention to (and excels) in his films. His mise-en-scene is stylistically as focused as any of the movies you've mentioned so far, and your example comes from a movie with more low-points than high. ROTJ is not a masterclass film by any means. If anything, it is a substandard sequel with some masterclass scenes, like the one you mentioned. TDK, on the other hand, would far exceed that movie in acting ability alone. But storytelling and sound play a huge role in masterclass film direction. Blade Runner with Deckard's narration is a craptacular (but pretty) film. Blade Runner without the narration is masterclass.


*edit* also, uh, OT: I think maybe when Daniel Craig leaves, Nolan should come along and test the waters a bit. But I don't think he should ever be in a 007 movie with Daniel Craig in it too. There's no need.



SegataSanshiro said:
Nem said:

I actually liked his Terminator movie. Was sad that didn't continue. I also liked the one after that, but reviewers didn't. I just don't get what people want...

He never made a terminator movie.

I had him confused with Christian Bale. 



The Dark Knight was not any better than Batman Begins. The main reason people like it is because it was Heath Ledger's final movie. People liked Heath Ledger's performance is because he died not long before the film's release, a hammy rendition of a super villain isn't anything special; it's been done a lot before.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

I love the Dark Knight trilogy, but honestly, I don't need another serious Bond movie. As campy as the old movies were, they had a charm that I felt made them really unique. Q's demos, the ridiculous enemy plans, the convoluted escape, the cheesy one-liners, these are what I remember Bond for. There are enough serious action hero movies out there...no need for that to bleed into other franchises.

I want another movie with Bond knocking an enemy into a printing press, seeing red newpapers print off with their blood, only to respond with a witty "They'll print anything these days."



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