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Kerotan said:

Mayweather hasn't knocked anyone out bar a cheap shop in donkeys years.  A bunch from mayweather these days isn't that powerful.  Mcgregor on the other hand has been dropping fellas left and right.  

That's because he doesn't need to knock them out his gameplan is not dependent on knocking a person out it revolves around dealing with the person through the whole 12 rounds, he makes them hang themselves and they whither away as the fight goes on don't mistake not knocking people out as can't knock out, Klitsko for example last knocked someone out  4 years ago but believe me he still could.



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Wyrdness said:
Kerotan said:

If you put mayweather in an octagon vs mcgregor the head kick knock out he'd suffer would be a lot worse then any punch he could hit mcgregor with. That's what we're talking hear.  Mcgregor vs mayweather.  Why are you bringing others into this? 

No for a start the force of a kick is dependent on a number of factors, Conner's kick may not even be comparable in force to Floyd's punch as he may not be trained specifically in a discipline that trains the legs like Muai Thai or Taekwondo so may not have the technique to exert such force that dwarf's any punch. Mayweather however is a fully trained Boxer so knows where and when to hit his opponents as well as how to hit them, added with the force generated from a boxing glove McGregor would be just as hurt from a punch as Mayweather would be from a kick.

If by others you mean the boxers I named go look up their injuries that's what happens in a Boxing ring and is evidence that debunks your whole argument.

         

There's no question, he does not hit harder with his hands. Not even close.

Look at the sports science videos on mma and boxing. 145 lbs fighters were able to kick harder than heavyweights could punch.

Couple that with the fact that mayweather has brittle hands with repeat injuries, and is not a powerpuncher.

 



 

SegataSanshiro said:
A_C_E said:

One should not judge that which one does not understand, for that person does not have an understanding with which to judge.

Sorry that you really really do not understand.

Then elighten me. What makes it more than just a testoterone match of who can punch who the most til they lose/quit/KO.

MMA is in many measurable, quantifiable ways the epitome of athlethic competition. It's not as if two drunkards are trading shots to see who drops first. Years of training to prefect technique in multilple disciplines. Movement, timing, precsision, power, anticipation. Style vs style. Why would such a thing be judged more harshly from an althletic standpoint than Baseball,  Tennis, or Darts? The most common answer is the brutality, which generally means that the level of violence is the main point of contention, as opposed to a percieved lack of athleticism. Which is fine. I am on an island, a lonely island among my friends IRL, who cannot tolerate the level of violence on display. I respect what I'm seeing very much. Yet I will admit, even though I almost always feel sorry if somebody is badly hurt, I can still enjoy it on some level. I'll rewind a Tekken worthy KO. Watch a guy not tap-out in a Kimura, at his discretion mind you, and have his are broken because of pride. It's obviously fine to not like it, but it's certainly not worthy of derision from an athletic/sporting standpoint. Shit, just the peril these guys and gals go through BEFORE a fight is crazy. They need weight cutting reform in MMA badly. Thankfully the CSAC is leading the charge on that front.

-edit. Respect to Boxing, and all other individual combat sports that comprise MMA. Sambo, Jiu-Jitsu, Kickboxing, Wrestling, ect.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

Wyrdness said:
Kerotan said:

Mayweather hasn't knocked anyone out bar a cheap shop in donkeys years.  A bunch from mayweather these days isn't that powerful.  Mcgregor on the other hand has been dropping fellas left and right.  

That's because he doesn't need to knock them out his gameplan is not dependent on knocking a person out it revolves around dealing with the person through the whole 12 rounds, he makes them hang themselves and they whither away as the fight goes on don't mistake not knocking people out as can't knock out, Klitsko for example last knocked someone out  4 years ago but believe me he still could.

And that proves my point.  mayweather would get a lot more hurt vs mcgregor in an MMA match then mcgregor would in boxing.  You just proved my entire point which was never about MMA as a whole vs boxing as a whole. 



JRPGfan said:
How many thinks McGregor chickens out, lets him self get a easy early KOed in like 3 round, and doesnt get up....
so he wont take too much damage, and then laugh all the way to the bank?

McGregor is going to murder Gayweather.  McGregor can box, he has proven that in the UFC. Gayweather is great at avoiding punches, as long as Connor pushes him and puts his weight on him he will eat away floyds ability to dodge. The only way Connor loses this is if he dances around and doesnt push the fight.



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Kerotan said:
Wyrdness said:

That's because he doesn't need to knock them out his gameplan is not dependent on knocking a person out it revolves around dealing with the person through the whole 12 rounds, he makes them hang themselves and they whither away as the fight goes on don't mistake not knocking people out as can't knock out, Klitsko for example last knocked someone out  4 years ago but believe me he still could.

And that proves my point.  mayweather would get a lot more hurt vs mcgregor in an MMA match then mcgregor would in boxing.  You just proved my entire point which was never about MMA as a whole vs boxing as a whole. 

Proven in your head maybe but as logic and practice goes nothing in your argument has been proven because McGregor can very well get hurt far more than Floyd would because of what me and others have pointed out, his game plan doesn't mean he won't knock him out should the opportunity arise as most other boxers protect themselves at all times to not get knocked out Connor with all his cocky talk is not a boxer so could very well struggle to make it to the half way point.



Wyrdness said:
Kerotan said:

And that proves my point.  mayweather would get a lot more hurt vs mcgregor in an MMA match then mcgregor would in boxing.  You just proved my entire point which was never about MMA as a whole vs boxing as a whole. 

Proven in your head maybe but as logic and practice goes nothing in your argument has been proven because McGregor can very well get hurt far more than Floyd would because of what me and others have pointed out, his game plan doesn't mean he won't knock him out should the opportunity arise as most other boxers protect themselves at all times to not get knocked out Connor with all his cocky talk is not a boxer so could very well struggle to make it to the half way point.

yeah, cause MMA fighters never protect themselves. You are right though, McGregor isnt a boxer, he is a fighter.



Wyrdness said:
Kerotan said:

And that proves my point.  mayweather would get a lot more hurt vs mcgregor in an MMA match then mcgregor would in boxing.  You just proved my entire point which was never about MMA as a whole vs boxing as a whole. 

Proven in your head maybe but as logic and practice goes nothing in your argument has been proven because McGregor can very well get hurt far more than Floyd would because of what me and others have pointed out, his game plan doesn't mean he won't knock him out should the opportunity arise as most other boxers protect themselves at all times to not get knocked out Connor with all his cocky talk is not a boxer so could very well struggle to make it to the half way point.

Mcgregor could have mayweather unconscious in under a minute in the octagon.  So again it proves my point.  You're saying mcgregor might not last half way through a boxing match.  That would be a hell of a lot longer then mayweather would last in a real fight. 



Kerotan said:

Mcgregor could have mayweather unconscious in under a minute in the octagon.  So again it proves my point.  You're saying mcgregor might not last half way through a boxing match.  That would be a hell of a lot longer then mayweather would last in a real fight. 

No it doesn't because Conner could get Koed in the first round because of lack of Boxing skill or go 12 rounds then slip into a coma or go 6 rounds and stop because the's a genuine risk of him going blind due to damage to his eye, all of these are a few outcomes because the damage dealt in a Boxing ring is more concentrated. Your logic is based off very basic thinking in how a fight and a boxing match works you're simply claiming well a kick, he can last this long blah blah etc.. when in actual fact Conner can very well recieve far more damage in a Boxing match because of a number of factors. You're arguing Conner can't get as badly beaten in a Boxing match when the truth of the matter is he could end up just as bad or even worse and the Boxers I named earlier highlight this.

Trust me Boxing is a real fight try going out and picking a fight with a trained Boxer like many have, most never even manage to hit them before being put to sleep in seconds.



Wyrdness said:
Kerotan said:

Mcgregor could have mayweather unconscious in under a minute in the octagon.  So again it proves my point.  You're saying mcgregor might not last half way through a boxing match.  That would be a hell of a lot longer then mayweather would last in a real fight. 

No it doesn't because Conner could get Koed in the first round because of lack of Boxing skill or go 12 rounds then slip into a coma or go 6 rounds and stop because the's a genuine risk of him going blind due to damage to his eye, all of these are a few outcomes because the damage dealt in a Boxing ring is more concentrated. Your logic is based off very basic thinking in how a fight and a boxing match works you're simply claiming well a kick, he can last this long blah blah etc.. when in actual fact Conner can very well recieve far more damage in a Boxing match because of a number of factors. You're arguing Conner can't get as badly beaten in a Boxing match when the truth of the matter is he could end up just as bad or even worse and the Boxers I named earlier highlight this.

Trust me Boxing is a real fight try going out and picking a fight with a trained Boxer like many have, most never even manage to hit them before being put to sleep in seconds.

Traind MMA fighter beats trianed Boxer 9/10 in a real fight. It's just reality. They get them on the ground they are taking their back and choking them unconscious. The boxer just better hope he lets go so he doesn't die.