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maxleresistant said:
Alkibiádēs said:

So they proved they can't handle Metroid themselves because of two games made by third party developers? Do you even hear what you're saying?

Oh and maybe it's your taste that's crap? ;) That intro is great. Plenty of people love it. Internet is filled with fan art of Marina already. 

Yeah, games like Super Mario Galaxy are creatively defunct. Dude, you simply don't make sense at all. I guess you don't consider the Prime trilogy to be good either, considering it was made in the last 15 years. If there's one company that still has plenty of creativity, it's Nintendo. 

First of all, those two games were contracted works, nor Team Ninja or Next Level Games had any creative freedom on those games, Nintendo had a final say on everything. Also Other M's director is actually a Nintendo employee, and it was his decisions and poor writing skills that made Other M so bad, , Kensuke Tanabe producer of the Prime trilogy, also produced Federation Forces. I don't know where you got the idea that a studio just get the license from Nintendo and do whatever they want with it, that does not work like that at all.

That intro is great I guess, if you like stuffs like Vocaloid or AKB48, but well, I'll let history decides who has poor tastes. But I'm not betting on the people drawing fan arts of Marina.

As for your last point, again you are mixing creative freedom and creativity, Metroid prime games were great and creative games, but they also left Retro Studios employees with a lot of frustations. Nintendo is widely known for being control freaks.

And like I explained to someone else, a video game is not a TV show. I believe Nintendo can smother a third party studio into making a good game, but I don't believe Nintendo can smother a TV production company into making a good TV show. I also don't believe any videogame company can do that. But also don't believe that Nintendo can just get out of the way like Konami did with Castlevania on Netflix

 

Go read that too http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/12/28/whatever-happened-to-the-metroid-movie

Other M's story was bad, but its gameplay was even worse. I can blame both the director AND Team Ninja for the train wreck that was Other M. Sakamoto is also just one guy, he's not representative for all of Nintendo. As for Federation Force, I doubt Nintendo had much to say about that game. They didn't even bother marketing it, they knew it was crap. Definitely the developer's fault as nothing about that game was even remotely good. Next Level Games has some very mediocre or even terrible art designers. All their games have terrible character designs, besides Punch-Out for Wii, but only because it didn't stray far from the original games on the NES and SNES.

The Pikmin shorts were fun to watch. I won't be surprised if Nintendo announces some new anime shows based on their IPs in the near future. They've definitely shown more interest in broadening their IPs (amusement parks, mobile games, etc.).



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

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Alkibiádēs said:
maxleresistant said:

First of all, those two games were contracted works, nor Team Ninja or Next Level Games had any creative freedom on those games, Nintendo had a final say on everything. Also Other M's director is actually a Nintendo employee, and it was his decisions and poor writing skills that made Other M so bad, , Kensuke Tanabe producer of the Prime trilogy, also produced Federation Forces. I don't know where you got the idea that a studio just get the license from Nintendo and do whatever they want with it, that does not work like that at all.

That intro is great I guess, if you like stuffs like Vocaloid or AKB48, but well, I'll let history decides who has poor tastes. But I'm not betting on the people drawing fan arts of Marina.

As for your last point, again you are mixing creative freedom and creativity, Metroid prime games were great and creative games, but they also left Retro Studios employees with a lot of frustations. Nintendo is widely known for being control freaks.

And like I explained to someone else, a video game is not a TV show. I believe Nintendo can smother a third party studio into making a good game, but I don't believe Nintendo can smother a TV production company into making a good TV show. I also don't believe any videogame company can do that. But also don't believe that Nintendo can just get out of the way like Konami did with Castlevania on Netflix

 

Go read that too http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/12/28/whatever-happened-to-the-metroid-movie

Other M's story was bad, but its gameplay was even worse. I can blame both the director AND Team Ninja for the train wreck that was Other M. Sakamoto is also just one guy, he's not representative for all of Nintendo. As for Federation Force, I doubt Nintendo had much to say about that game. They didn't even bother marketing it, they knew it was crap. Definitely the developer's fault as nothing about that game was even remotely good. Next Level Games has some very mediocre or even terrible art designers. All their games have terrible character designs, besides Punch-Out for Wii, but only because it didn't stray far from the original games on the NES and SNES.

The Pikmin shorts were fun to watch. I won't be surprised if Nintendo announces some new anime shows based on their IPs in the near future. They've definitely shown more interest in broadening their IPs (amusement parks, mobile games, etc.).

I actually liked the gameplay, but didn't like the lack of exploration. I don't blame only one guy for the game, but Nintendo was responsible for what happened with Other M, as they are responsible for EVERY game using their license.

Now I talked about Sakamoto because he wrote the game, and my point at the beginning was that Nintendo can't make a good metroid TV show, and that Other M is good example that they don't know how to write a more complex story in the Metroid universe.

I did saw a change in how they handle their IP in recent years, but do I trust them at that point to make a good Metroid TV show? No, I don't. It's my opinion, I might be wrong, but I know enough to not be optimistic.



maxleresistant said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Other M's story was bad, but its gameplay was even worse. I can blame both the director AND Team Ninja for the train wreck that was Other M. Sakamoto is also just one guy, he's not representative for all of Nintendo. As for Federation Force, I doubt Nintendo had much to say about that game. They didn't even bother marketing it, they knew it was crap. Definitely the developer's fault as nothing about that game was even remotely good. Next Level Games has some very mediocre or even terrible art designers. All their games have terrible character designs, besides Punch-Out for Wii, but only because it didn't stray far from the original games on the NES and SNES.

The Pikmin shorts were fun to watch. I won't be surprised if Nintendo announces some new anime shows based on their IPs in the near future. They've definitely shown more interest in broadening their IPs (amusement parks, mobile games, etc.).

I actually liked the gameplay, but didn't like the lack of exploration. I don't blame only one guy for the game, but Nintendo was responsible for what happened with Other M, as they are responsible for EVERY game using their license.

Now I talked about Sakamoto because he wrote the game, and my point at the beginning was that Nintendo can't make a good metroid TV show, and that Other M is good example that they don't know how to write a more complex story in the Metroid universe.

I did saw a change in how they handle their IP in recent years, but do I trust them at that point to make a good Metroid TV show? No, I don't. It's my opinion, I might be wrong, but I know enough to not be optimistic.

Sakamoto also wrote and directed Fusion and I really like its story and atmosphere. So nope, I'm not convinced that Nintendo can't make a good Metroid TV show, they just need to hire the right guys for the job. I'm expecting a Splatoon anime over a Metroid one though. 

Nintendo should try and contact Studio Ghibli or Studio Ponoc if they're ever serious about making animated shows for their IPs. Although Miyazaki doesn't like games, so the answer to that one would probably be no. 



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

maxleresistant said:
Jumpin said:

You failed to prove that Nintendo allows no creative freedom. All you proved is that you're a bit of a nasty forum poster when you're unable to argue a point.

It's funny because I stayed on point, and actually tried to discuss it, whereas you just attacked me and added nothing valuable to the debate.

I may be nasty, but at least I know what an argument is.

Apparently you didn't, you failed to provide any evidence to support your point that Nintendo doesn't allow creative freedom.

You aren't wrong on your second point though, depending on your point of view. Being nasty and not proving a point is how children define argument.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Jumpin said:
maxleresistant said:

It's funny because I stayed on point, and actually tried to discuss it, whereas you just attacked me and added nothing valuable to the debate.

I may be nasty, but at least I know what an argument is.

Apparently you didn't, you failed to provide any evidence to support your point that Nintendo doesn't allow creative freedom.

You aren't wrong on your second point though, depending on your point of view. Being nasty and not proving a point is how children define argument.

You are a little troll with way too much time on your hands. You should try to have real discussions with people, instead of attacking them for no good reasons.



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I am a kid of the 80's. I grew up playing the NES games. When I recently booted up the series on Netflix and saw that they tried to explain Dracula's wrath as being motivated by heart break and then watching Trevor Belmont look at a heap of innocent people's dead bodies and spit on them... I was like... nope... fuck this shit.

So tired of anti-heroes. It's played out.



As long as he uses a different animation studio, I say bring it on.



While Castlevania is indeed better then I expected, this producer has a bit of a style that Nintendo wouldn't let touch one of their IP with a ten foot pole. They would probably let Micheal Bay direct a Star Fox movie before doing a grim and gritty Metroid movie.