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Collusion?

yes 116 50.43%
 
no 22 9.57%
 
too early to tell? 35 15.22%
 
fake news 57 24.78%
 
Total:230

Yeah the last time the NYT had an exclusive story on the Russian thing it turned out to be fake so I don't know if this is real or not.



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jason1637 said:
Yeah the last time the NYT had an exclusive story on the Russian thing it turned out to be fake so I don't know if this is real or not.

But he already admitted it is true. Just look to his tweets I posted on the end of the first page. How exactly can it be fake?



 

So that Lawyer did not work for the Russian government but for a PR-firm in Washington creating fake news for the Democratic Party.

The Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr ... is apparently linked to a firm that helped compile the notorious dossier of wild and unproven allegations about the US President.

https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jr-russian-lawyer-steele-dossier-natalia-veselnitskaya-gps-fusion-a7834541.html



TheDarkBender said:
jason1637 said:
Yeah the last time the NYT had an exclusive story on the Russian thing it turned out to be fake so I don't know if this is real or not.

But he already admitted it is true. Just look to his tweets I posted on the end of the first page. How exactly can it be fake?

Oh I didn't see what you posted. Thanks for clearing it up. That's interesting how they contacted him with sensitive information about Hilary. I don't know if it got out or not but she should be locked up. So if the information didn't come out I hope it does.



https://nyti.ms/2u4ojEc

Russian Dirt on Clinton? ‘I Love It,’ Donald Trump Jr. Said

If he was a good American, he would've contacted the FBI. Jail time.



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numberwang said:
So that Lawyer did not work for the Russian government but for a PR-firm in Washington creating fake news for the Democratic Party.

The Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr ... is apparently linked to a firm that helped compile the notorious dossier of wild and unproven allegations about the US President.

https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jr-russian-lawyer-steele-dossier-natalia-veselnitskaya-gps-fusion-a7834541.html

There is no such title as Crown Prosecutor in Russia – the Crown Prosecution Service is a British term – but the equivalent in Russia is the Prosecutor General of Russia.  That office is held by Yury Yakovlevich Chaika, a Putin appointee* who is known to be close to Ms. Veselnitskaya.

 

 

also like I wrote before, about what NYT said:

She was hired to do this by Mr. Goldstone, on behalf of Mr. Agalarov (who's father Moscow real estate tycoon known to be close to President Vladimir V.)

 

You cant say she doesnt have any ties to russia.

That doesn appear to be true.

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html?smid=pl-share

 

jason1637 said:
TheDarkBender said:

But he already admitted it is true. Just look to his tweets I posted on the end of the first page. How exactly can it be fake?

Oh I didn't see what you posted. Thanks for clearing it up. That's interesting how they contacted him with sensitive information about Hilary. I don't know if it got out or not but she should be locked up. So if the information didn't come out I hope it does.

She should?

What about the guy that meets with someone who clearly has ties to russia, to get dirt on a opponent? That seems fine to you?

Reguardless of how good any "info" she had was, the act itself is the problem here.



TheDarkBender said:

numberwang said:
"Anonymous sources told us" - story is already being retracted as fake ...

- tweet -

Of course she would say it's not true, even if it were true. And even so, maybe you should actually look into what you're posting.

Veselnitskaya said she did not know why Trump Jr. believed she was planning to offer damaging information about Clinton.

 

"It is quite possible that maybe they were longing for such information," she told NBC. "They wanted it so badly that they could only hear the thought that they wanted."

She said Trump Jr. asked her just one question: whether she had financial records indicating inappropriate donations to the Democratic National Committee.

(http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-lawyer-idUSKBN19W174)

In other words, the intentions of Trump Jr. were to find dirt on Hillary Clinton from the Russians in order to damage her campaign, which is illegal.

The intent was to find dirt on Hillary. The fact it was from a Russian lawer doesnt mean anything. WHat I find facinating is the fact that nobody on the left actually wants the truth, they just want to hang Trump because he won. Even if the Russians had a crap ton of dirt on the Clintons and released it all, the left would be all over it for all the wrong reasons. How about looking at the information and validating it? If the Russian goverment hacked the DNC email and released a bunch of emails the Dems sent people and exposed them for the crap talking money hungry people they are, that should be the story, not the fact that they were hacked. The hacking while an issue by itself still exposed the information that people seem to ignore.  If the Russians have evidence of the Clintons using the Clinton foundation for personal gain, lets see it. Its time to stop the BS and politics and start to move on. Focus on making our country stronger, not pissing off half the nation for a whtch hunt wih no merrit and wasting billions in the process.



JRPGfan said:
numberwang said:
So that Lawyer did not work for the Russian government but for a PR-firm in Washington creating fake news for the Democratic Party.

The Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr ... is apparently linked to a firm that helped compile the notorious dossier of wild and unproven allegations about the US President.

https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jr-russian-lawyer-steele-dossier-natalia-veselnitskaya-gps-fusion-a7834541.html

There is no such title as Crown Prosecutor in Russia – the Crown Prosecution Service is a British term – but the equivalent in Russia is the Prosecutor General of Russia.  That office is held by Yury Yakovlevich Chaika, a Putin appointee* who is known to be close to Ms. Veselnitskaya.

 

 

also like I wrote before, about what NYT said:

She was hired to do this by Mr. Goldstone, on behalf of Mr. Agalarov (who's father Moscow real estate tycoon known to be close to President Vladimir V.)

 

You cant say she doesnt have any ties to russia.

That doesn appear to be true.

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html?smid=pl-share

 

jason1637 said:

Oh I didn't see what you posted. Thanks for clearing it up. That's interesting how they contacted him with sensitive information about Hilary. I don't know if it got out or not but she should be locked up. So if the information didn't come out I hope it does.

She should?

What about the guy that meets with someone who clearly has ties to russia, to get dirt on a opponent? That seems fine to you?

Reguardless of how good any "info" she had was, the act itself is the problem here.

That is where the Dems are failing. Meeting someone to get dirt isnt the issue, the issue is the dirt. We meddle in everyones elections, the fact that Russia found a way to meddle in ours through our media is what is scary. It continues to work today and the Russians just get to sit back and laugh anytime someone from CNN opens their mouth. We are wasting billions on BS news about a collusion that never happened.



Superman4 said:
JRPGfan said:

There is no such title as Crown Prosecutor in Russia – the Crown Prosecution Service is a British term – but the equivalent in Russia is the Prosecutor General of Russia.  That office is held by Yury Yakovlevich Chaika, a Putin appointee* who is known to be close to Ms. Veselnitskaya.

 

 

also like I wrote before, about what NYT said:

She was hired to do this by Mr. Goldstone, on behalf of Mr. Agalarov (who's father Moscow real estate tycoon known to be close to President Vladimir V.)

 

You cant say she doesnt have any ties to russia.

That doesn appear to be true.

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html?smid=pl-share

 

She should?

What about the guy that meets with someone who clearly has ties to russia, to get dirt on a opponent? That seems fine to you?

Reguardless of how good any "info" she had was, the act itself is the problem here.

That is where the Dems are failing. Meeting someone to get dirt isnt the issue, the issue is the dirt. We meddle in everyones elections, the fact that Russia found a way to meddle in ours through our media is what is scary. It continues to work today and the Russians just get to sit back and laugh anytime someone from CNN opens their mouth. We are wasting billions on BS news about a collusion that never happened.

What about intent ?

It doesnt matter at all to you?

The purpose (why he went to meet with russians) was to get dirt, so he could use it, and effect the election.

That is collusion.

 

He himself has admitted to it, in a tweet. He knowingly went to get dirt, from the russians on Hilary.



JRPGfan said:
numberwang said:
So that Lawyer did not work for the Russian government but for a PR-firm in Washington creating fake news for the Democratic Party.

The Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr ... is apparently linked to a firm that helped compile the notorious dossier of wild and unproven allegations about the US President.

https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jr-russian-lawyer-steele-dossier-natalia-veselnitskaya-gps-fusion-a7834541.html

There is no such title as Crown Prosecutor in Russia – the Crown Prosecution Service is a British term – but the equivalent in Russia is the Prosecutor General of Russia.  That office is held by Yury Yakovlevich Chaika, a Putin appointee* who is known to be close to Ms. Veselnitskaya.

 

 

also like I wrote before, about what NYT said:

She was hired to do this by Mr. Goldstone, on behalf of Mr. Agalarov (who's father Moscow real estate tycoon known to be close to President Vladimir V.)

 

You cant say she doesnt have any ties to russia.

That doesn appear to be true.

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html?smid=pl-share

 

jason1637 said:

Oh I didn't see what you posted. Thanks for clearing it up. That's interesting how they contacted him with sensitive information about Hilary. I don't know if it got out or not but she should be locked up. So if the information didn't come out I hope it does.

She should?

What about the guy that meets with someone who clearly has ties to russia, to get dirt on a opponent? That seems fine to you?

Reguardless of how good any "info" she had was, the act itself is the problem here.

Im just not a fan on Hiliary and hope she would have been locked up. Well we are not sure of if the information came out from his meeting with the Russians BUT he should have gave the emails to the FBI when he got them so he is now In some deep shit.