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Teeqoz on 10 July 2017
pleaserecycle said:
palou said:

The jobs requiring no higher education are going to disapear quite fast, though, as technology improves.

Yes, but will colleges adapt or will they continue to offer non-specific degrees like liberal studies?  

If people continue to choose liberal arts studies, then colleges will continue to offer them. It's not like people who study liberal arts are the only ones at risk of ending up in an unrelated job. 50% of STEM students end up working in non-STEM fields. I get that it's easy to think that liberal arts degrees are completely useless, but I have yet to see any data supporting that.



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pleaserecycle on 10 July 2017
Teeqoz said:
pleaserecycle said:

Yes, but will colleges adapt or will they continue to offer non-specific degrees like liberal studies?  

If people continue to choose liberal arts studies, then colleges will continue to offer them. It's not like people who study liberal arts are the only ones at risk of ending up in an unrelated job. 50% of STEM students end up working in non-STEM fields. I get that it's easy to think that liberal arts degrees are completely useless, but I have yet to see any data supporting that.

I think you're mistaking liberal studies, which is a non-specific major, with liberal arts.



Kristof81 on 10 July 2017

Because having less educated citizens is always a good thing ... right?



dharh on 10 July 2017
pleaserecycle said:
Teeqoz said:

If people continue to choose liberal arts studies, then colleges will continue to offer them. It's not like people who study liberal arts are the only ones at risk of ending up in an unrelated job. 50% of STEM students end up working in non-STEM fields. I get that it's easy to think that liberal arts degrees are completely useless, but I have yet to see any data supporting that.

I think you're mistaking liberal studies, which is a non-specific major, with liberal arts.

Some people just want to go to college and learn shit.  Also, often enough 'liberal studies' is just a 1st year program for people who are as yet undecided on their specific path.

On the overall topic.  I am all for more vocational schools, employers being a little more flexable in their hiring practices.  However, the fact remains that having a college degree shows many things about the perspective employee that companies want.  Perhaps the least of these is that the person is trained in what they might hire them fore.



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Machiavellian on 10 July 2017

Defintely a WTH moment as I am putting helping my Older Son through college. There is absolutely nothing in that logic I can see panning out the way the OG posted. I would love for the college tuition to be free as that is only one cost to the overall cost of going to college outside of your own state or even city.



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Bofferbrauer2 on 10 July 2017
Dulfite said:
Well, there is something to be said about the massive overabundance of people with degree vs. jobs that require those degrees. As a teacher, I know that some teaching positions can have as many as 800+ applications from people with degrees (many of which are working as a substitute or paraprofressional, or some other low paying job just to survive until they can get that job). This would reduce that, but it would also kill opportunity.

The real solution would be for companies to start announcing that they no longer require degrees for certain things. For instance, my wife works at a company that often highers people to work jobs they often don't have degrees in. She herself was a graphics art major, and is doing Uxer Experience design now on a UX team 9a job that didn't exist until recent years).

I am certified in teaching middle school social studies and k-12 special education, yet I am teaching High school social studies (government mainly) which, I know, isn't a massive difference from my degree but still, I'm technically not doing a job I'm "certified in." A lot of people are doing jobs (full paying, career, big money jobs) that have nothing to do with their college degree. This begs the question; How important is having a degree? If it's just a way to rack up tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt that takes 5-20 years to pay off at 4-6% interest, then that is stupid. I recently saw a report that college tuition has gone up like 1000% from somewhere like the 1970's. My wife even told me that her company would higher people to code/program even if they didn't go to college and just learned how to do it in their spare time.

It's time for the college requirement to go for most jobs.

Not only that, i would also increase the requirements to get a college degree in some fields, from what I got some parts of US education as a whole and in consequence parts of college education in general are pretty subpar compared to most of europe. I might be wrong or have outdated information though, so if someone has actually had both I would love to see what s/he has to say about it.

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So, from what I gather, you're promoting accelerationism?

What is accelerationism?



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gergroy on 10 July 2017

I don't think raising the cost of education is the answer. I think what actually needs to happen is that students need to be educated on what degrees represent the biggest growth and most opportunities for employment. Students are getting crap degrees where there is huge demand for people educated in math and science. There is a crazy bad teacher shortage hitting the nation too.



gatito on 10 July 2017

They're already high enough. American colleges are run like a business as opposed to academic institutions. It's all about the money and the privilege of rich people, and that's vile.



Teeqoz on 10 July 2017
pleaserecycle said:
Teeqoz said:

If people continue to choose liberal arts studies, then colleges will continue to offer them. It's not like people who study liberal arts are the only ones at risk of ending up in an unrelated job. 50% of STEM students end up working in non-STEM fields. I get that it's easy to think that liberal arts degrees are completely useless, but I have yet to see any data supporting that.

I think you're mistaking liberal studies, which is a non-specific major, with liberal arts.

What is the difference (genuine question). Googling it, the results literally say "liberal studies, also known as liberal arts".

http://learn.org/articles/What_is_Liberal_Studies.html



Peh on 10 July 2017
numberwang said:
palou said:

The jobs requiring no higher education are going to disapear quite fast, though, as technology improves.

Higher education does not equal a college degree. Many jobs like programming, system-networking are better off with specific certificates/boot camps.

Certificates are the dumbest invention I've ever witnessed.

Everyone can get a certificate by buying the exams online and doing them on pearson vue's exam center.

 

 



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