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Ljink96 said:
naruball said:

Please explain why.

Also, not losing money is not great. The point is to make money. As much as possible. So breaking even or making a tiny profit is probably a bad bussiness move.

Because that's NOT Nintendo's job. Nintendo put out trailers of the game and I'm sure put out a weekly newsletter about what games were available that week. What else can they want from them? A paid commercial on primetime TV? For PSN you see highlights just like Wii U eShop. Games that aren't highlited are at least mentioned in some form or fashion. And this is ONE GUY. Nintendo does Nindies stuff all the time and other games have succeeded on the eShop. He's just salty because Oddworld isn't what Nintendo fans want. We saw it, we didn't want it.

Yes, everybody wants more money. All companies want to make more money, the issue is, it isn't Nintendo's job to make money for you. They can only do so much. Yeah, a sale on a Nintendo platform is a sale for Nintendo and the game developer but to put all the blame on Nintendo and not acknowledging that their software isn't appealing to Wii U's install base, it's just stupid.

I don't know what Sony did compared to what NInty did but for them to complain about one company and not the other, they must have a reason.

I'm inclined to believe the people who actually invested money in this rather than fans who tend to defend anything their company does (not you, at least you question the validity of some points instead of rejecting everything).

As for your point, if Ninty doesn't try to accommodate their needs to some extent because "it ain't their job", they can keep having shitty 3rd party support. Sony obviously knows better in that regard.
It's how business works. It may not be your job to do x, but the client or seller can choose a more lucrative deal.



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Rab said:
deskpro2k3 said:

He is absolutely 100% right. I'm glad he didn't sugar coat the truth.

He did sugar coat his version facts... 2GB of RAM, No one bought games after Wii Sports.. yeah that sweeeeat sugar 

ok so.. he is 99% right.



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SpokenTruth said:

Cartridges:
He's pissed that Nintendo wants to combat piracy?

With blu-ray Discs you can get them made lots of places.

With Nintendo's Switch Cartridges you cant, its nintendo or nope.

He barely even mentions piracy, more like a after thought, not sure why the author put it in there.

He talks about controll, and the negative effects of Cartridges (in his eyes).



JRPGfan said:
sc94597 said:

According to vgchartz 68 out of the Wii's top 100 best selling games were third party titles. So...

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=Wii&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

Look at the top50:

top10 = 9 nintendo games + just dance.

top11-20 = just dance, sonic & mario (sega), zumba fitness.

top21-30 = Lego Starwars, Guitar hero, mario & sonic (sega), EA sporst active.

top31-40 = mario & sonic, guitar hero, lego batman,

top 41-50 = skylanders, sonic & rings, Lego hary potter.


Not 1 3rd party AAA game really, in the top50.

rest of the stuff aside Skylanders is a billion dollar franchise at least during the Wii Era, massive budget, quality title, huge amount of hollywood voice actors in it. What isn't AAA about skylanders?



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twintail said:
sc94597 said:
According to vgchartz 67 out of the Wii's top 100 best selling games were third party titles. So...

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=Wii&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

To be fair, using VGchartz data doesnt exactly help your contrasting point.

So... which NIntendo games sold better you think to push out more 3rd-parties? Don't talk out of your ass, sc has at least put some data.



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Ganoncrotch said:
JRPGfan said:

Look at the top50:

top10 = 9 nintendo games + just dance.

top11-20 = just dance, sonic & mario (sega), zumba fitness.

top21-30 = Lego Starwars, Guitar hero, mario & sonic (sega), EA sporst active.

top31-40 = mario & sonic, guitar hero, lego batman,

top 41-50 = skylanders, sonic & rings, Lego hary potter.


Not 1 3rd party AAA game really, in the top50.

rest of the stuff aside Skylanders is a billion dollar franchise at least during the Wii Era, massive budget, quality title, huge amount of hollywood voice actors in it. What isn't AAA about skylanders?

Skylanders is a AAA?

Ive never played one, my thinking is its just some small silly kids game.

This is where you get to call me out though, because I like some niche japanese stuff that probably has even smaller budgets <.<

It just doesnt appear that many typical big franchises of AAA games are there, that was my point.



Ad hominem everywhere.

It would be nice to see some genuine discussion open up about why Nintendo have such a poor track record with third parties, without putting on tinfoil hats and crying afoul of the rest of the industry.

Granted he's simply one developer, and only recently we've seen how radically different the perspectives of indies can be in the publishing space. However, that said, this has been a long standing issue and I don't think anything he's said is very suprising.



 

naruball said:
spemanig said:

Does Sony or microsoft do this though? Not unless it's a big indie title like Shovel Knight. New'n'Tastey is a late indie remake of a nearly 2 decades old game. I don't know what kind of promotion he was expecting. Like Rocket League is releasing late on the Switch, but Nintendo sure is promoting that.

They do. I regurarly check their fb page, their youtube channel and even their blog; indies, even small ones, get a ton of promotion.Even games that shouldn't be on psn in the first place.

Obviously this doesn't count for the guy, because:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38U9Wqy4GWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6h9KI_2O6s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfpLmYiOFJI

That are Nintendo channels right there. So if you count Youtube, FB, you should compare to what the reality is, because obviously these videos didn't count as advertising for Lorne Lanning.



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SpokenTruth said:


Cartridges:
He's pissed that Nintendo wants to combat piracy?

No, he wants Nintendo to copy the blazing success which was the UMD:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Media_Disc



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JRPGfan said:
SpokenTruth said:

Cartridges:
He's pissed that Nintendo wants to combat piracy?

With blu-ray Discs you can get them made lots of places.

With Nintendo's Switch Cartridges you cant, its nintendo or nope.

He barely even mentions piracy, more like a after thought, not sure why the author put it in there.

He talks about controll, and the negative effects of Cartridges (in his eyes).

Only Sony never had BluRay in a portable device, they had UMD.



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