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Cerebralbore101 said:
The only people saying that MS deserves praise for this are PC gamers. Anybody that bought an XB1 in 2013 under the assumption that it was needed to play good exclusives got played. It's not good for consumers when a company sells you a product and then turns around to make the product completely unnecessary and worthless.

I can see said product becoming "completely unnecessary and worthless" only if the person buying said product, in this case an X1, would game on PC 100% of the time if given the choice between PC and console. Some people like both in different situations.

 

Also, X1 losing a game to PC doesn't render those X1 games unplayable. Killer Instinct is still perfectly playable on X1 despite the fact that the game is also coming to PC. Nier Automata coming to PC does not render the game unplayable on PS4... Unless of course the PS4 crashes every time it tries to run NA now that NA is also available on PC. I highly doubt that's the case.



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KLAMarine said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
The only people saying that MS deserves praise for this are PC gamers. Anybody that bought an XB1 in 2013 under the assumption that it was needed to play good exclusives got played. It's not good for consumers when a company sells you a product and then turns around to make the product completely unnecessary and worthless.

I can see said product becoming "completely unnecessary and worthless" only if the person buying said product, in this case an X1, would game on PC 100% of the time if given the choice between PC and console. Some people like both in different situations.

 

Also, X1 losing a game to PC doesn't render those X1 games unplayable. Killer Instinct is still perfectly playable on X1 despite the fact that the game is also coming to PC. Nier Automata coming to PC does not render the game unplayable on PS4... Unless of course the PS4 crashes every time it tries to run NA now that NA is also available on PC. I highly doubt that's the case.

Neir has always being available on PC. It was just another PC/PS4 game that the XB1 missed out on due to having no precense in Japan, and having low sales. 



Cerebralbore101 said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

You say that PC gamers are the only one who can praise MS for this but then you describe something that is more about PC gamers primarily who bought Xbox One just for exclusives. So, do PC gamers really praise MS for this?

Well some people primarily game on PS4, but bought XB1 for exclusives too. But there aren't enough exclusives on XB1 to justify that sort of a purchase. So it isn't just primarily PC gamers that this effects. 

But yeah, PC gamers really do praise MS for this. They want exclusives to go away alltogether, so that they can just get a PC and not have to worry about extra console purchases. For a lot of them, any company that gets in the way of this is evil in their eyes. This is where the aggressive emulation of just released games comes from. It's also where all the port begging comes from. 

When you take a look at this industry as a whole, there's a huge chunk of, critically well recieved, games that just don't come to PC right away. I'm talking about games that either never come to PC, or take five or six years to get an official port. These games make up 40% of all releases garnering a metascore over 80/100. This really annoys people that primarily game on PC, because they just don't want to have to shell out extra money for a console. 

TL/DR: PC gamers want everything to no longer be exlusive so they aren't obligated into buying a console. MS works towards this goal, therefore they deserve praise according to PC gamers. 

Yes. But first of all MS is just one of the three platform holders, so there is no way that they can somehow make PC gamers happy with making them to play all the existing games on PC. And you seem to forget that MS are the worst of the big three this gen considering the quality of their games. So I doubt that PC gamers really want to play these games in the first place. Also, PC gamers literally hate Windows Store and won't use it no matter what. Just read some PC gamers forum and you'll understand what I mean.

KLAMarine said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
The only people saying that MS deserves praise for this are PC gamers. Anybody that bought an XB1 in 2013 under the assumption that it was needed to play good exclusives got played. It's not good for consumers when a company sells you a product and then turns around to make the product completely unnecessary and worthless.

I can see said product becoming "completely unnecessary and worthless" only if the person buying said product, in this case an X1, would game on PC 100% of the time if given the choice between PC and console. Some people like both in different situations.

 

Also, X1 losing a game to PC doesn't render those X1 games unplayable. Killer Instinct is still perfectly playable on X1 despite the fact that the game is also coming to PC. Nier Automata coming to PC does not render the game unplayable on PS4... Unless of course the PS4 crashes every time it tries to run NA now that NA is also available on PC. I highly doubt that's the case.

Nice. That's what I've meant a few posts earlier. Only the guys who play all multiplatform games on PC would be dissapointed with buying XB1 at launch.

Cerebralbore101 said:
KLAMarine said:

I can see said product becoming "completely unnecessary and worthless" only if the person buying said product, in this case an X1, would game on PC 100% of the time if given the choice between PC and console. Some people like both in different situations.

 

Also, X1 losing a game to PC doesn't render those X1 games unplayable. Killer Instinct is still perfectly playable on X1 despite the fact that the game is also coming to PC. Nier Automata coming to PC does not render the game unplayable on PS4... Unless of course the PS4 crashes every time it tries to run NA now that NA is also available on PC. I highly doubt that's the case.

Neir has always being available on PC. It was just another PC/PS4 game that the XB1 missed out on due to having no precense in Japan, and having low sales. 

Almost every Play Anywhere MS game was always available on PC at launch. Same as with Nier:Automata. Xbox One only games are still Xbox One only games and I doubt they will be ported to PC. The only games that got ported are Killer Instinct (starting from Season 3) and Forza 6 which is more like free to play demo of Xbox One game.



 

sethnintendo said:
CartBlanche said:

Xbox One being out sold 2 to 1 world wide, 4-5 to 1 in Europe and by some silly number in Japan is basically quite disastrous place to be in with Xbox and rather than nuckle down and just wait till the next gen cycle before announcing Xbox 1 X (silly name) they are playing catch-up.  Basically the week before X1X comes out in November, Sony will drop the price of the PS4 Pro, thus making X1X looks massively overpriced this Xmas. Sony will outsell Xbox, in all its shapes, this holiday season and into 2018. By mid to late 2018 the PS4 brand will out sell Xbox by 3 to 1 world wide. That is unfortunately how it will play out.

Yep, Microsoft is on a downturn and all their IPs are selling less than previous generation.  Microsoft can keep putting out mini PCs or me too systems but it seems like Playstation has taken most their userbase with Nintendo filling in any remaining gamers.  Basically Microsoft can't afford to be a me too system anymore because no one cares about their IPs anymore.

No one care about Halo, Gears and Forza? Wrong 



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darkenergy said:
sethnintendo said:

Yep, Microsoft is on a downturn and all their IPs are selling less than previous generation.  Microsoft can keep putting out mini PCs or me too systems but it seems like Playstation has taken most their userbase with Nintendo filling in any remaining gamers.  Basically Microsoft can't afford to be a me too system anymore because no one cares about their IPs anymore.

No one care about Halo, Gears and Forza? Wrong 

Microsoft makes minimal IP progress with key IP's each gen. At the rate they are going the day they would confident to give Halo a rest might never come.  Halo and Gears werent even originally made by them so its food for thought on their actual abilitites. This is...unless they decide to have some heart and act like a competent game developer like their competition.



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derpysquirtle64 said:

You are definitely right about Sony selling more consoles than MS this holiday season. I didn't even doubt this. I've argued about your 3:1 ratio by mid-2018. Which won't happen at all. Even by the end of this generation, Sony won't be able to outsell Xbox 3:1. Also, you seem to forget that Xbox is doing almost 1:1 in the US, the biggest console market, so they will sell a lot of consoles this holiday season there as well. So, your argument about Mary going to buy baby Jesus his first console works for Xbox as well. At least in US. They've got a huge marketing which will help them a lot.

So it has been 3 months since you posted this. Are you still confident by end of this gen Sony won't be 3:1 up worldwide, barring a Sony disaster??

As of the end of October the margin between PS4 and Xbox One in the US is now 3 million units. It has continued to grow. Seems little doubt that PS4 won the Black Friday sales battle too. So that means November sales in PS4's favour, but we'll get some kind of confirmation of this next week when the NPD numbers for November are announced.

If you look at the game sales on a something like FiFa, a huge sporting franchise, at the end of October on PS4 it had sold nearly 7million and on Xbox One just over 1.5 million. Even games developers will starts looking at that disparity and wondering if it is worth their development time making sure Xbox gets the best version. If you want to compare exclusives look at both console's best driving franchises. Forza Motorsport 7, which came out 3 weeks before Gran Turismo Sport, sold 400,000 units, while Gran Turismo Sport in 2 weeks sold 1.1 million by the end of October! Forza had 5 weeks worth of sales to only hit 400,000.

With Sony announcing 70million console units sold at the beginning of December, with still the Xmas sales to go, I'm guessing Sony will shift 1-2 million worldwide this holiday season, by year end. So that should confirm that by end of 2017, we'll be in the 2.1:1 to 2.2:1 ratio of PS4 sales to Xbox One sales. Now Xbox One X has been well received by critics, but has that translated into any sales increase?

With titles like God of War, Death Stranding, Last of Us II, Spiderman, Detroit : Become Human, Days Gone (not my kind of game as it just portrays a clichéd zombie scenario, unlike Naughty Dog) all coming exclusively to PS4, will Xbox One have a chance in 2018??? Is there anything Xbox can do to turn this around? Is focusing on backwards compatibility really the right path for Xbox? I think they should focus on the future, rather than looking to the past. But I have another theory about why BC is so important to Microsoft. See my other posts on another thread about that :)



I think the complaint applies less to the fact that they’re on PC, and more to the fact that for the most part they’re just not that good. Forza is obviously a highly praised series, but look at Halo and Gears: when the games were originally being developed by third party studios, they were great; ever they began to see in-house development, they’ve gone stale. Gears 4 wasn’t the worst game I’ve played in recent years, but it was the worst Gears title to me single-player wise, and I couldn’t find anything redeeming about the multiplayer. Besides that, pretty much every Xbox/ Windows exclusive has either been forgettable shovelware, or goes multiplat.

So the question comes up: what is the reason to buy a XB1 console? XB1X has hardware, but it has a $500 entry fee, and is held back by core XB1. Plus, by the time you finally get to really see the benefits of owning one, there’ll likely be a PS5 released/ on the horizon that will be more than likely a significant bump in hardware and offer exclusive software to prove it.



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KLAMarine said:

I often come across the complaint that many XBox 1 games that would have otherwise been exclusives are also put on PC thus rendering them non-exclusives and I'm wondering why people complain?

Does a game being available on more than one platform not make it more readily available to people thus benefiting the consumer? Is the ability to play a game on more than one configuration not a good thing? PS4 and Switch exclusives can only be played on their respective platforms but with XBox1/PC, you have more choice.

Online gaming on PC is free last I checked so you don't even need to pay a subscription fee to play these games online. Microsoft undermines their own efforts to charge for online multiplayer by making their otherwise-XBox 1 exclusive games also available on PC.

Already got a gaming PC? Great! No need to buy an XBox 1 and we the consumers win but I cannot recall any time wherein Microsoft has received rightful praise for their pro-consumer policy of making their software available on XBox 1 AND PC rather than just locking their software to one box.

 

What's the deal with people complaining instead of praising?

I guess the problem is not that Xbox have more options to play their "exclusives", but to have just a few games with those extra options.

So, if we focus in the problem being fewer exclusives, this will end up in less people buying Xbox, and as a result, less companies developing for it, leaving the users who already have an XBOne with an expensive console and few games....



                          

"We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us" - Andrew Ryan, Bioshock.

Less exclusives means more EA. I think exclusives are important to keep balance and competition.



Thank you Microsoft for not giving me any reason to buy your console.