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LethalP said:
Mnementh said:

PS4 should be peaking this year. So 100M should be easy, beyond that can be more difficult. It depends strongly on how fast the PS5 gets adopted. If it is slow like with PS3, the previous console could sell decently for years. If PS5 starts strong, then PS4 will decline fast.

Agree with that somewhat. If the PS5 releases 2018 for example and it's a hit, the PS4 might just about make it to PS1/Wii numbers when it's discontinued. But if PS5 releases in November 2020, the PS4 will sell 100 million before it's even released. PS5 backwards compatibility could kill PS4 sales too, but it's doing over 100 mill in any case.

Do people really expect the PS5 for 2018? I'm going for 2020, 2019 at the absolute earliest. 



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LethalP said:
Mnementh said:

PS4 should be peaking this year. So 100M should be easy, beyond that can be more difficult. It depends strongly on how fast the PS5 gets adopted. If it is slow like with PS3, the previous console could sell decently for years. If PS5 starts strong, then PS4 will decline fast.

Agree with that somewhat. If the PS5 releases 2018 for example and it's a hit, the PS4 might just about make it to PS1/Wii numbers when it's discontinued. But if PS5 releases in November 2020, the PS4 will sell 100 million before it's even released. PS5 backwards compatibility could kill PS4 sales too, but it's doing over 100 mill in any case.

Yeah, Release time is a factor. I expect PS5 2019. 100M should be a sure thing as I said, probably a bit past depending on when the PS5 releases, so even 110M should be a thing. If PS5 comes late or starts bad then 130M are possible.



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LethalP said:

The PS4 is basically beasting. It's the fundamental game console of choice this gen. 60.4 million hardware and 487 million software in it's first 3 and a half years. For it to sell half a billion software in that time is actually insane. But get this, the first two years of a consoles life is normally the smallest in software sales due to the low install base. So it's not unwise to assume that the PS4 might actually eclipse 1 billion software in the next 3.5 years considering consoles sell more software in their second half of life. And will go on to do 1.4 billion lifetime, easily I say.

As for the hardware, It'l hit 100 million by 2020. And it's going to sell for $149 to $99 after that making it an impulse purchase with it's very impressive library by then. Trust me, it'l hit 130 million. I'd bet this accout but honestly it isn't up to much anyway soo.

Do you agree? Or am I talking shite?

100 million by 2020 is a MASSIVE underestimation. The console sold over 60 million in 3.5 years and we are exactly 3.5 years from the end of 2020. For all metrics, consoles sell far more in the second half of the year, and PS4 has sold more than 7-8 million in the first half of 2017 (61-62 million by the end of June), bringing the absolute minimum sold by the year's end at 70+ million. An educated guess would put the number at between 71 and 77 million.

My PS4 sales estimates since 2013, by the end of each year...

By the end of 2017 : 71 - 77 million
By the end of 2018 : 93 - 102 million
By the end of 2019 : 112 - 124 million
By the end of 2020 : 124 - 136 million

The console generation will have lasted 7 years by the end of 2020. PS4 will definitely pass 100 million mark somewhere between Late 2018 and Mid 2019. It will reach 120 million between Summer 2019 and Early 2020. It may or may not reach 130+ million by the end of 2020.






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Europe     => XB1 : 23-24 % vs PS4 : 76-77%
N. America => XB1 :  49-52% vs PS4 : 48-51%
Global     => XB1 :  32-34% vs PS4 : 66-68%

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I am quoting myself (quoting Turkish) from year 15 February 2014. Everything I said has come precisely true yet people still have severe underestimations in their minds. A console, which will have sold way over 70 million by the end of 2017 will most definitely have sold way over 100 million. PS4 will sell like hot potatoes at Holiday seasons for $199 or less.

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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=178341&page=4

The highlighted quote:
- PS4 will have sold about 6 million in 6 months, so 12 million / year is easily doable. This puts the totals to 60 million for 5 years, and 84 million for 7 years. However, the price cuts will happen! A 25% price cut will include a comparable amount of sales increase, so 2-3 years down the line, you can expect 15-16 million annual sales, which brings the totals to around 70 million in 5 years and 100 millions in 7 years. And that's the minimum because it hasn't even been released in Japan and some other countries and it has been heavily supply constrained.

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I said, PS4 would sell a minimum of 70 million in 5 years and 100 million in years without any price cuts. PS4 will already pass the 70 million mark after 4 years. A very simplistic calculation (less than 4 years instead of 5 to reach 70 million) will imply a similar rise over the 7 years! 5/4 * 100 = 125 is very likely for ps4 to reach by the end of 2020 at current trends.

freedquaker said:
Turkish said:

Your estimates are very silly. Xbone can go up to 75m? PS4 up to 165m? 25-50m range for the WiiU?? Very laughable. PS4 wont outdo PS2. The Xbone will lose marketshare in the US and UK, it cannot do anything close to 70m. 360 will end up selling around 90m, I expect the Xbone to lose around half of the marketshare.

WiiU 25m minimum? Lol more like 15m is gonna be it's maximum, it's selling ~3m a year.


There is a bit of a misunderstanding here. You don't seem to have read it detail but let me a bit more clear here...

First Xbox... XB1 will definitely lose market share (from 50% to a 24-33% share among HD consoles), I agree. However, the HD Consoles overall will gain market share against the Wii console from 60% to the 80-90% range. Assuming that the market size stays constant (which I doubt), the given range is what MATH tells me. The variation between 47.5 to 73.3 million is there because of those two ranges (80-90% for HD, 24-33% for XB1).

Basically the same story for PS4. Now think about it to meaningfully compare it with the PS2 era.

- XB1's competition is much more fierce than the competition from original Xbox but it's comparable to the Xbox & Gamecube combined.

- The market is much larger than the PS2 era.

- We are talking about a 7 year run. PS2 had sold 100 million when PS3 was released. 50+ sales happened after drastic price cuts. Assuming PS5 won't be released before 2020, PS4 has plenty of time to catch up!

- PS4 will have sold about 6 million in 6 months, so 12 million / year is easily doable. This puts the totals to 60 million for 5 years, and 84 million for 7 years. However, the price cuts will happen! A 25% price cut will include a comparable amount of sales increase, so 2-3 years down the line, you can expect 15-16 million annual sales, which brings the totals to around 70 million in 5 years and 100 millions in 7 years. And that's the minimum because it hasn't even been released in Japan and some other countries and it has been heavily supply constrained.

- WiiU is much weaker than Wii and if you read my ending note, I am estimating rather the low end of the given range (around 25 million or so), which is about 12%. Nintendo never did worse than that. Also price cuts will come, along with many AAA Nintendo titles. It will be the cheapest console all along.



Playstation 5 vs XBox Series Market Share Estimates

Regional Analysis  (only MS and Sony Consoles)
Europe     => XB1 : 23-24 % vs PS4 : 76-77%
N. America => XB1 :  49-52% vs PS4 : 48-51%
Global     => XB1 :  32-34% vs PS4 : 66-68%

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Yep you talking shite.



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PEEPer0nni said:
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Sounds about right.