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Lonely_Dolphin said:
Mar1217 said:

Or basically, Pikmin 4 was just Hey Pikmin ! but nobody wanted to believe it.

They specifically said Pikmin 4 so that would still mean they lied.

They? Miyamoto is only one person and he was the only one who ever mentioned Pikmin 4.



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Lonely_Dolphin said:
Mar1217 said:

Or basically, Pikmin 4 was just Hey Pikmin ! but nobody wanted to believe it.

They specifically said Pikmin 4 so that would still mean they lied.

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RolStoppable said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

They specifically said Pikmin 4 so that would still mean they lied.

They? Miyamoto is only one person and he was the only one who ever mentioned Pikmin 4.

They as in Miyamoto and Nintendo: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-06-14-miyamoto-pikmin-4-still-progressing

Nintendo then followed up the news to Eurogamer in a separate statement:

"We can confirm that Pikmin 4 is in development but that is all we can confirm at present."



Lonely_Dolphin said:
RolStoppable said:

They? Miyamoto is only one person and he was the only one who ever mentioned Pikmin 4.

They as in Miyamoto and Nintendo: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-06-14-miyamoto-pikmin-4-still-progressing

Nintendo then followed up the news to Eurogamer in a separate statement:

"We can confirm that Pikmin 4 is in development but that is all we can confirm at present."

Activate your critical thinking.

Eurogamer doesn't consult Nintendo's headquarters, but the local Nintendo subsidiary. The subsidiary commonly doesn't have more to go on than something that was already publicly said by NCL or an NCL employee, so they simply repeated what had been said by Miyamoto. If Pikmin 4 had actually been close to completion like Miyamoto said in that interview, then Pikmin 4 would have been listed under upcoming games in Nintendo's financial report. 2.5 years have passed since the interview you linked, but Pikmin 4 has never been on such a list.

Miyamoto loves Pikmin and he tried to pull the same stunt as he did at E3 2008 where he confirmed the development of Pikmin 3 despite the game not being in the works. Pikmin 3 didn't take five years to make (was released in summer 2013), you shouldn't believe that it took that long for one second. What has changed between 2008 and 2017 is that in 2008 Miyamoto was positioned as the mastermind of Nintendo, so in order to keep his reputation intact, Nintendo greenlit Pikmin 3 once a team was available. But in 2017 Miyamoto was a man who had fallen from grace, so he is told by PR that he shouldn't talk about Pikmin 4 (Miyamoto is laughing about that in the interview you linked). Not to keep the game a secret, but rather to not embarrass himself by promising a game that isn't getting made.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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RolStoppable said:

Activate your critical thinking.

Eurogamer doesn't consult Nintendo's headquarters, but the local Nintendo subsidiary. The subsidiary commonly doesn't have more to go on than something that was already publicly said by NCL or an NCL employee, so they simply repeated what had been said by Miyamoto. If Pikmin 4 had actually been close to completion like Miyamoto said in that interview, then Pikmin 4 would have been listed under upcoming games in Nintendo's financial report. 2.5 years have passed since the interview you linked, but Pikmin 4 has never been on such a list.

Miyamoto loves Pikmin and he tried to pull the same stunt as he did at E3 2008 where he confirmed the development of Pikmin 3 despite the game not being in the works. Pikmin 3 didn't take five years to make (was released in summer 2013), you shouldn't believe that it took that long for one second. What has changed between 2008 and 2017 is that in 2008 Miyamoto was positioned as the mastermind of Nintendo, so in order to keep his reputation intact, Nintendo greenlit Pikmin 3 once a team was available. But in 2017 Miyamoto was a man who had fallen from grace, so he is told by PR that he shouldn't talk about Pikmin 4 (Miyamoto is laughing about that in the interview you linked). Not to keep the game a secret, but rather to not embarrass himself by promising a game that isn't getting made.

By activate my critical thinking you mean blindly believe your assumptions? Nah, I go off what is actually real, what was said as well as what hasn't been said. Nintendo never corrected or denied these statements, so at best they're complacent with the lie.



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Lonely_Dolphin said:

By activate my critical thinking you mean blindly believe your assumptions? Nah, I go off what is actually real, what was said as well as what hasn't been said. Nintendo never corrected or denied these statements, so at best they're complacent with the lie.

The Pikmin 4 issue is something that Nintendo would discuss internally with Miyamoto. If you expect Nintendo to call out Miyamoto publicly for pretending that a game that isn't even in development is close to being finished, then you have an unrealistic view of how the world works.

Besides, the absence of Pikmin 4 on Nintendo's regularly published list of upcoming releases should count as denial of the game's existence.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

RolStoppable said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

By activate my critical thinking you mean blindly believe your assumptions? Nah, I go off what is actually real, what was said as well as what hasn't been said. Nintendo never corrected or denied these statements, so at best they're complacent with the lie.

The Pikmin 4 issue is something that Nintendo would discuss internally with Miyamoto. If you expect Nintendo to call out Miyamoto publicly for pretending that a game that isn't even in development is close to being finished, then you have an unrealistic view of how the world works.

Besides, the absence of Pikmin 4 on Nintendo's regularly published list of upcoming releases should count as denial of the game's existence.

So if I steal your switch and slap you with it you'll just go "oh well that's how the world works!" Yes the world can be shitty, that doesn't excuse shitty behavior.

Now that there is actual tangible evidence, lead with that man! I can't say Nintendo as a whole is lying then, but it's still wrong of them to let Miyamoto lead people on, that we have to figure out for ourselves if he lying rather than just coming out and saying Pikmin 4 is just a wet dream.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
RolStoppable said:

The Pikmin 4 issue is something that Nintendo would discuss internally with Miyamoto. If you expect Nintendo to call out Miyamoto publicly for pretending that a game that isn't even in development is close to being finished, then you have an unrealistic view of how the world works.

Besides, the absence of Pikmin 4 on Nintendo's regularly published list of upcoming releases should count as denial of the game's existence.

So if I steal your switch and slap you with it you'll just go "oh well that's how the world works!" Yes the world can be shitty, that doesn't excuse shitty behavior.

Now that there is actual tangible evidence, lead with that man! I can't say Nintendo as a whole is lying then, but it's still wrong of them to let Miyamoto lead people on, that we have to figure out for ourselves if he lying rather than just coming out and saying Pikmin 4 is just a wet dream.

If you stole my Switch, I'd give you a clean cut from one ear to the other. Nobody touches my Switch, that's how the world works.

I mentioned the absence of Pikmin 4 on Nintendo's release lists in my first response to you; go look it up. It was there, but you didn't want to listen the first time I said it. What I also pointed out in my first response to you is that Miyamoto was laughing in the interview about Nintendo telling him to not talk about Pikmin 4 anymore. But like I said in my second response, Nintendo isn't going to publicly scold one of their employees when they do something that they were told not to do. Dragging that out in the open would make Nintendo look like a circus, so the way they've actually handled the situation is looking less bad for Nintendo than the alternative. The way they've handled it, there are a bunch of angry fans on forums that mention Pikmin 4 every now and then; a public statement that Miyamoto is lying to people and deceiving them would have made the gaming news and become a huge topic.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

RolStoppable said:

If you stole my Switch, I'd give you a clean cut from one ear to the other. Nobody touches my Switch, that's how the world works.

I mentioned the absence of Pikmin 4 on Nintendo's release lists in my first response to you; go look it up. It was there, but you didn't want to listen the first time I said it. What I also pointed out in my first response to you is that Miyamoto was laughing in the interview about Nintendo telling him to not talk about Pikmin 4 anymore. But like I said in my second response, Nintendo isn't going to publicly scold one of their employees when they do something that they were told not to do. Dragging that out in the open would make Nintendo look like a circus, so the way they've actually handled the situation is looking less bad for Nintendo than the alternative. The way they've handled it, there are a bunch of angry fans on forums that mention Pikmin 4 every now and then; a public statement that Miyamoto is lying to people and deceiving them would have made the gaming news and become a huge topic.

My bad my bad, wasn't paying full attention and missed that part.

Yes Nintendo's trying to cover for his lie, that's exactly the problem. Instead of owning up to their mistakes and taking the consequences (which would have no tangible effect, see Pokemon), they're cowardly trying to brush it under the rug, hoping people wont notice.



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