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Theist 96 20.25%
 
Atheist 178 37.55%
 
Agnostic 96 20.25%
 
Spiritual but non theist 29 6.12%
 
Other 32 6.75%
 
God. 43 9.07%
 
Total:474

I think that it makes a different if God existed. But I do not believe that there is a God.

I see history and I just see that religions were created to control the masses, making wars, etc. For the government (Kingdoms) could strive more and more. Like a blindfolded into plebs eyes.




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Aura7541 said:
Kristof81 said:

All primates show signs of morality. It's "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of relation, where wellbeing of whole group is more important than individual gains. It's pretty basic, natural behaviour, which simply pays off and chimpanzees or gorillas don't need God to explain this. 

Yep, altruism is an evolutionary trait. It's important that a population survives because you need a male and a female to reproduce offspring and a larger population encourages greater genetic variation. It doesn't matter how fit an individual is if he/she cannot find a mate. So while altuistic behavior negatively affects individual fitness, it boosts population fitness allowing the population to survive and reproduce offspring.

 

well selfish and destructive behavior has been shown to produce reproductive success in some ways -

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/james-holmes-fan-mail-reveals-sick-fixatation-killer-article-1.2356103

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqmthnrG-2A



Aura7541 said:
Kristof81 said:

All primates show signs of morality. It's "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of relation, where wellbeing of whole group is more important than individual gains. It's pretty basic, natural behaviour, which simply pays off and chimpanzees or gorillas don't need God to explain this. 

Yep, altruism is an evolutionary trait. It's important that a population survives because you need a male and a female to reproduce offspring and a larger population encourages greater genetic variation. It doesn't matter how fit an individual is if he/she cannot find a mate. So while altuistic behavior negatively affects individual fitness, it boosts population fitness allowing the population to survive and reproduce offspring.

A lot of animals reproduce via sexual domination. If an individual is fit enough, they can force themselves on a mate, in fact, a large part of human history was/is dictated by this very principle, and now we have people that complain about the patriarchy, which is the systematic oppression and domination of the female sex by means evolved BEYOND physcial dominaton to social and psychological domination.

 

EDIT: I thought i should add im not disagreeing with your statement, just saying that it is not the origin of morality, at least in my view.



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monocle_layton said:
How about we just keep it in our personal lives? I've lived my life with people not knowing what my beliefs are on religion, and it doesn't make one difference.

Does it really matter if I'm atheist? Or a buddhist, christian, etc..

Very mature of you, but humans are social animals and when a belief becomes a mass religion, it dons the appearance of a culture. This is why it becomes a talking piece.



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o_O.Q said:
Jpcc86 said:

Theres no such thing, with or without religions. 

so you believe that killing people for fun can be ok given enough time?

I mean, even with religion, how could you say that god's given morality is OBJECTIVELY ideal? 

 



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John2290 said:

As humans we are bound by our senses, the only thing we will ever know for certain is that we exist 

I'd conest that. What proves that you don't, perhaps, only exist in the passing, the moment? That your next thought is thought is that another? It is impossible to have two concentrated, conscious thoughts at once - perhaps, the pain felt, the light seen a second ago was not felt by you, but is just accesible to your memory?



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palou said:

 

o_O.Q said:

so you believe that killing people for fun can be ok given enough time?

I mean, even with religion, how could you say that god's given morality is OBJECTIVELY ideal? 

 

because over a long period of time we've observed what concepts lead to stable, prosperous societies/individuals and how the ignoring of those concepts have lead to the downfall of societies/individuals

in short the answer is ironically the same for our sciences - observations of what works over long periods of times repetitively 

and that's why we associated these concepts with the supernatural because they appear to transcend our limited scope of reality

concepts such as do onto others as you would have them do onto you



palou said:

 

o_O.Q said:

so you believe that killing people for fun can be ok given enough time?

I mean, even with religion, how could you say that god's given morality is OBJECTIVELY ideal? 

 

because god wouldve created morality. whatever one he has is probably pretty tip-top.



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o_O.Q said:
palou said:

 

I mean, even with religion, how could you say that god's given morality is OBJECTIVELY ideal? 

 

because over a long period of time we've observed what concepts lead to stable, prosperous societies/individuals and how the ignoring of those concepts have lead to the downfall of societies/individuals

in short the answer is ironically the same for our sciences - observations of what works over long periods of times repetitively 

and that's why we associated these concepts with the supernatural because they appear to transcend our limited scope of reality

concepts such as do onto others as you would have them do onto you

If that is your answer, I do not see how god needs to be implied. Morality, its purposes and effects, have been discussed extensively by many great minds. (Bentham, Mills, Kant, Rawls...)

 

Game theory can turn optimizing human behaviour into mathematical equations. 

 

No religion needed. If you say it's a science, then leave it to scientists, with more complete procedures.



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