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I think SNESSuper Famicom Mini is a rip off. Why I suggest not buying.

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niceguygameplayer said:

OK, we have 21 games. One is new: Star Fox 2. These are nearly all high quality games in my opinion. I like the list for the most part. I would consider buying it for myself, however, there are a few reasons I've decided not to even try. Here are my reasons:

1. High price. With only 21 games, $80 is too much. Other similar collections come in at a far lower price. Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection (not just Sonic games; should have been called Sega's Ultimate Genesis Collection) came with 49 games for $30! That is true value. This fantastic collection comes with mostly Sega Genesis classics, but also a few Sega arcade games and Master System games. These are not a bunch of crap games. Most are true classics. To name a few: Phantasy Star 1-4, Streets of Rage 1-3, Shinobi 3 and arcade, Golden Axe 1-3, Shining Force 1 and 2, Space Harrier arcade, Sonic 1-3, Columns, and Comix Zone. Plus, there are developer interviews, trophies, facts about each game, etc. I doubt the Mini will have any special extras. 

Also, there are $20 collections like 2 Capcom collections with around 20 games each. A Neo Geo collection with about 20 games for $20. And there are more similar collections. So, as you can see, $80 for 21 games is outrageous. 

2. Game selection. They could have done a little better. 25-30 games would have been nice. Why not Chrono Trigger, Actraiser 1 and 2, Axelay, Super Star Wars games, and most of all, Final Fantasy 2 (4).

3. Supply. Nintendo has disappointed many with discontinuing the first Mini. Many still want one, but can't get it. Instead of continuing to stock a popular item until demand is met, they axed it. That does not even make businesses sense. It seems they will repeat this again only committing to a few months of supplying the new Mini. Scalpers are already taking advantage as last time. Many will have to pay much higher than $80 for one. This will cause stress and anxiety for those that want one, but worry that they can't, because Nintendo doesn't want to meet demand. So, if they don't want my money enough, then fine. 

Unless having Star Fox 2 is important to you, I suggest avoiding this collection. 

1. The reason sega failed is because their games weren't as appealing as Nintendos. Now days they are even less appealing. Nintendo games have the highest value retention of any gaming company, even decades after release. Each of the SNES games would have cost like $5-10 on virtual console (so  a $105-210 value for $80).

2. They probably had a harder time getting key third party companies to agree to put those games in this bundle due to the popularity of SNES era games (compared to NES games which feel horrible) and those companies thinking they can just make more money off selling the games individually.

3. Has it occured to you that they have like $15 billion in money and they know what they are doing? It's more than likely that they think this will appeal to older fans who aren't as likely to buy a switch (which is why they are making less in my opinion) and for us younger folks who ALSO want the SNES mini that we will be satisfied buying these games on our Switchs when the VC is released. Yes, a lot of people want this and the NES mini still, but in a year from now maybe no one will be complaining because the VC on the switch could be that awesome. Give it time. I don't plan on buying this until I know what the VC will look like on the Switch. It would have to be horrible for me to want to buy a SNES instead of these games on the switch because the SNES mini, like the NES mini, simply isn't convenient (nothing is, really) compared to the Switch. Nintendo changed everything with this little rectangle.



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Want to know what's a ripoff? Paying $25 for a new Blu-ray for a 80-180 minute long movie or $20 for a 60 minute CD. But a mini console for $80 with two controllers, 100's+ hours of gameplay and enjoyment is a ripoff? Gamers are getting cheap and whine too much. Video games are a luxury and not a necessity. People will vote with their wallets and others will pirate. You don't need to play video games and the Big 3 don't owe you a damn thing!

Btw I don't think Movies and Music are a ripoff inherently, but compared to video games they don't provide nearly as much bang for your dollar.



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I don't think it's a ripoff, I also don't think I would use it more than once or twice. It kinda suits me that supply will be low like the nes mini so that I don't impulse buy one. Got enough gaming stuff clutter! My memories of playing those games is enough. It won't turn me back into a kid playing snes with my little nephews and nieces in the attic on a lazy Sunday.

I might buy a few of those games on Switch VC to see if I can get my kids interested in the old stuff.



The hardware alone make it worth the price. two controllers and a console? Do you know how much Nintendo charges for a controller? Enough...

Then lets get to the virtual console price of all those games.. 8 dollars a piece....

Your entire argument blows up with that piece of information. The exact opposite is true. Nintendo is offering one HELL of a deal here.



niceguygameplayer said:

OK, we have 21 games. One is new: Star Fox 2. These are nearly all high quality games in my opinion. I like the list for the most part. I would consider buying it for myself, however, there are a few reasons I've decided not to even try. Here are my reasons:

1. High price. With only 21 games, $80 is too much. Other similar collections come in at a far lower price. Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection (not just Sonic games; should have been called Sega's Ultimate Genesis Collection) came with 49 games for $30! That is true value. This fantastic collection comes with mostly Sega Genesis classics, but also a few Sega arcade games and Master System games. These are not a bunch of crap games. Most are true classics. To name a few: Phantasy Star 1-4, Streets of Rage 1-3, Shinobi 3 and arcade, Golden Axe 1-3, Shining Force 1 and 2, Space Harrier arcade, Sonic 1-3, Columns, and Comix Zone. Plus, there are developer interviews, trophies, facts about each game, etc. I doubt the Mini will have any special extras. 

Also, there are $20 collections like 2 Capcom collections with around 20 games each. A Neo Geo collection with about 20 games for $20. And there are more similar collections. So, as you can see, $80 for 21 games is outrageous. 

2. Game selection. They could have done a little better. 25-30 games would have been nice. Why not Chrono Trigger, Actraiser 1 and 2, Axelay, Super Star Wars games, and most of all, Final Fantasy 2 (4).

3. Supply. Nintendo has disappointed many with discontinuing the first Mini. Many still want one, but can't get it. Instead of continuing to stock a popular item until demand is met, they axed it. That does not even make businesses sense. It seems they will repeat this again only committing to a few months of supplying the new Mini. Scalpers are already taking advantage as last time. Many will have to pay much higher than $80 for one. This will cause stress and anxiety for those that want one, but worry that they can't, because Nintendo doesn't want to meet demand. So, if they don't want my money enough, then fine. 

Unless having Star Fox 2 is important to you, I suggest avoiding this collection. 

If it was just software i would agree. But you get a little SNES, which holds sentimental, AND collectors value, given the sale timeframe. The $80 value comes from the form factor. (and also, SNES consoles go for around 80 dollars online anyways.)



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I think your comment has merit, but there are things to consider.

The system I believe is coming with 2 controllers, which I think is great, going with the price.

2nd, it is cheaper to get this rather than buying them individually on a VC, especially for people who've never played them.

3rd, the games on here are just huge. While a bit lacking compared to the NES mini, this is still a worthwhile compilation of games on one lil device.

There's also a possible matter of, if you can just hack in more games for it, all these other concerns become somewhat moot.



 

              

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Game collections discs are different than a system that has a game collection on it. Emulators and using pirated games shouldn't be considered in a price of a system. If not every game should be near free with the limitless amount of ways to get pirated games even for today's hardware, although those systems will get banned really fast.

This is both a collectors piece, as well as nostalgia piece using classic looking SNES controllers with updated components to easily connect to the hd screens of today. The reason why a cap was put on the amount of games in the SNES classic is because it has many third party games that require licenses and in some cases still go for a bit of change even in digital form (Secret of Mana on Mobile is $15 for example). It's easy for a Capcom and/or Sega to release huge collections because in most cases they are the publisher/developer of the games that were featured meaning they likely don't need to pay a license for most if not all the games features in their collections.



1. There may have been collections that have been priced cheaper, but what they all have in common is significantly lower game quality. Gamers are willing to pay higher prices for better games. I consider the SNES Mini too cheap, just like the NES Mini was already too cheap.

2. The SNES Mini could have 30 games like you propose and people could still ask where are games X, Y and Z. This product isn't intended to be a complete edition.

3. Here you contradict your first point. You seem to be aware that the SNES Mini will be a high demand product, but how would that be possible if its price is too high? Nintendo already confirmed that they will produce higher quantities of the SNES Mini than any of the other collections you listed had produced for them.



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How about you just not buy it since it doesn't appeal to you and not worry about what other folks spend their money on and keep your suggestions to yourself?



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Zach808 said:

That's like saying buying groceries is a ripoff because you can just rob the store.  Everything is a ripoff if you're used to getting everything for free.

A more accurate analogy would be self grown food for free. Data multiplication isn't the same as robbery.

No, not even close, and this shouldn't have to be explained to you in 2017, but oh well.  Tomatoes, basil, apples, etc, are not intellectual properties.  You aren't infringing on Green Giant's property and rights by growing your own tomatoes in your backyard instead of buying their product at the grocery store.  That you think copying a developer's digital code is no different than growing your own oranges is baffling. 

"Actually, you're only going to download an emulator and some games for you own amusement. That's OK, right?

No, not really. What you've done here is piracy." 

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