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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - I think SNESSuper Famicom Mini is a rip off. Why I suggest not buying.

The market determines what a product such as this is worth and from early buzz $80 doesn't seem to bother people that want it. They want this, they don't want a NEO GEO or Genesis collection.

This is coming from someone who thought the Switch was priced a little too high. I was wrong, people spoke and said it was a good value.



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potato_hamster said:
psychicscubadiver said:

Shrug. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. It's well and good if that assuages your conscience, but you still have something you have no right to own. Something that belongs to someone else.

There is actually two clearly defined legal differences between the two. It's actually not a matter of possessing copyrighted material. It's not illegal to own material that was acquired via copyright infringement, it's the copyright infringement itself that is the crime.

If you want to oversimplify something in your mind and be willfully ignoranty about it, that's your choice.

I'm aware of the legal distinction, but I don't let my opinions on what's morally correct be defined solely by the legal system. If you do, that's your choice.

And if you are the one 'making' a copy. You're still in violation of the law.

EDIT: 'ignoranty'?



psychicscubadiver said:
potato_hamster said:

There is actually two clearly defined legal differences between the two. It's actually not a matter of possessing copyrighted material. It's not illegal to own material that was acquired via copyright infringement, it's the copyright infringement itself that is the crime.

If you want to oversimplify something in your mind and be willfully ignoranty about it, that's your choice.

I'm aware of the legal distinction, but I don't let my opinions on what's morally correct be defined solely by the legal system. If you do, that's your choice.

And if you are the one 'making' a copy. You're still in violation of the law.

EDIT: 'ignoranty'?

And where did I say that copyright infringement was legal or morally acceptable?

Ohh right. I never.

I just said it wasn't theft. Because it isn't.

P.S. Typo. Notice the "Y" next to the "T" on a keyboard. Shit happens.



I still have a functioning SNES in good working condition and I own the majority of the games listed. I still am fine paying $80 for this, and am fine if others don't as make it easier to find one.



Blah blah blah, if you want it, buy it. If not, then don't



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potato_hamster said:
psychicscubadiver said:

I'm aware of the legal distinction, but I don't let my opinions on what's morally correct be defined solely by the legal system. If you do, that's your choice.

And if you are the one 'making' a copy. You're still in violation of the law.

EDIT: 'ignoranty'?

And where did I say that copyright infringement was legal or morally acceptable?

Ohh right. I never.

I just said it wasn't theft. Because it isn't.

P.S. Typo. Notice the "Y" next to the "T" on a keyboard. Shit happens.

Fair enough.

Chuckle, I assumed it was a typo, but there is something wonderfully ironic about mispelling 'ignorant' when accusing another person of being such.



psychicscubadiver said:
potato_hamster said:

And where did I say that copyright infringement was legal or morally acceptable?

Ohh right. I never.

I just said it wasn't theft. Because it isn't.

P.S. Typo. Notice the "Y" next to the "T" on a keyboard. Shit happens.

Fair enough.

Chuckle, I assumed it was a typo, but there is something wonderfully ironic about mispelling 'ignorant' when accusing another person of being such.

Can't disagree with you about the typo. Have a good day.



20 four to five star games in an all-in-one box for less than $4 a pop is a ripoff?



niceguygameplayer said:

OK, we have 21 games. One is new: Star Fox 2. These are nearly all high quality games in my opinion. I like the list for the most part. I would consider buying it for myself, however, there are a few reasons I've decided not to even try. Here are my reasons:

1. High price. With only 21 games, $80 is too much. Other similar collections come in at a far lower price. Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection (not just Sonic games; should have been called Sega's Ultimate Genesis Collection) came with 49 games for $30! That is true value. This fantastic collection comes with mostly Sega Genesis classics, but also a few Sega arcade games and Master System games. These are not a bunch of crap games. Most are true classics. To name a few: Phantasy Star 1-4, Streets of Rage 1-3, Shinobi 3 and arcade, Golden Axe 1-3, Shining Force 1 and 2, Space Harrier arcade, Sonic 1-3, Columns, and Comix Zone. Plus, there are developer interviews, trophies, facts about each game, etc. I doubt the Mini will have any special extras. 

Also, there are $20 collections like 2 Capcom collections with around 20 games each. A Neo Geo collection with about 20 games for $20. And there are more similar collections. So, as you can see, $80 for 21 games is outrageous. 

2. Game selection. They could have done a little better. 25-30 games would have been nice. Why not Chrono Trigger, Actraiser 1 and 2, Axelay, Super Star Wars games, and most of all, Final Fantasy 2 (4).

3. Supply. Nintendo has disappointed many with discontinuing the first Mini. Many still want one, but can't get it. Instead of continuing to stock a popular item until demand is met, they axed it. That does not even make businesses sense. It seems they will repeat this again only committing to a few months of supplying the new Mini. Scalpers are already taking advantage as last time. Many will have to pay much higher than $80 for one. This will cause stress and anxiety for those that want one, but worry that they can't, because Nintendo doesn't want to meet demand. So, if they don't want my money enough, then fine. 

Unless having Star Fox 2 is important to you, I suggest avoiding this collection. 

1. The reason sega failed is because their games weren't as appealing as Nintendos. Now days they are even less appealing. Nintendo games have the highest value retention of any gaming company, even decades after release. Each of the SNES games would have cost like $5-10 on virtual console (so  a $105-210 value for $80).

2. They probably had a harder time getting key third party companies to agree to put those games in this bundle due to the popularity of SNES era games (compared to NES games which feel horrible) and those companies thinking they can just make more money off selling the games individually.

3. Has it occured to you that they have like $15 billion in money and they know what they are doing? It's more than likely that they think this will appeal to older fans who aren't as likely to buy a switch (which is why they are making less in my opinion) and for us younger folks who ALSO want the SNES mini that we will be satisfied buying these games on our Switchs when the VC is released. Yes, a lot of people want this and the NES mini still, but in a year from now maybe no one will be complaining because the VC on the switch could be that awesome. Give it time. I don't plan on buying this until I know what the VC will look like on the Switch. It would have to be horrible for me to want to buy a SNES instead of these games on the switch because the SNES mini, like the NES mini, simply isn't convenient (nothing is, really) compared to the Switch. Nintendo changed everything with this little rectangle.



Want to know what's a ripoff? Paying $25 for a new Blu-ray for a 80-180 minute long movie or $20 for a 60 minute CD. But a mini console for $80 with two controllers, 100's+ hours of gameplay and enjoyment is a ripoff? Gamers are getting cheap and whine too much. Video games are a luxury and not a necessity. People will vote with their wallets and others will pirate. You don't need to play video games and the Big 3 don't owe you a damn thing!

Btw I don't think Movies and Music are a ripoff inherently, but compared to video games they don't provide nearly as much bang for your dollar.



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