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guiduc said:

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specialk said:
guiduc said:

I like you.

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Can we date? I'm into logical guys with lots of common sense.



collint0101 said:
NawaiNey said:

Inded Sony sucks in the Hadheld space, I have no problem accepting that fact. Which makes it all the more baffling why Nintendo fans can't accept that Nintendo sucks in the home console space, when they so clearly do.

Because they don't suck. Even the Wii u which is by far their weakest console has stuff like Tokyo mirage sessions, piknin 3, Splatoon, xenoblade X ect. Also Sony's handhelds don't suck either both the PSP and Vita have some really high quality releases. You have this weird mentality that what you're saying is absolute fact but no you're arguing opinions and personal taste. There is no best or worst line up it's all about what you personally want to play

If they don't suck, then why do their consoles die so quickly from lack of support? That's as sucky as sucky can get...



couchmonkey said:

We regularly hear about Nintendo's third party software issues which are legit but maybe not as bad as people think.  How about the first party problems?  Switch started off extremely well with Zelda: BOW and Mario Kart 8, but I am starting to sense cracks in the upcoming lineup. 

Keep in mind, I'm looking at this from a sales perspective (I'm on VGchartz after all).  I know I'll buy a Switch and love many of these games, but to sell 100 million Switches they need outstanding first-party software.  Wii know they can do it!  Let me know if I missed anything.

ARMS - seems to be having a so-so launch, I don't expect this to do much.  It is nice to see Nintendo try a new IP, though.

Splatoon 2 - looks fine.  I can't figure out what makes this better than the first game, but Japan loves it, and I think it'll be interesting to see if this can do bigger numbers on Switch than Wii U.  I'm not worried about it.

Mario Odyssey - I am worried about this one.  Nintendo really should be going 2D with Mario, the proof is in the sales figures.  I was giving Odyssey the benefit of the doubt because Nintendo made great strides in open world with Zelda, but I think the game might have serious issues with the cornball theme song and strange mix reality and fantasy.  Nintendo needs Mario to perform, they have no other guaranteed hits until Pokemon.

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - This will add some nice variety to the lineup, but we know this isn't a system seller.

Fire Emblem Warriors - Good for Japan, but not a system seller globally.

Metroid Prime 4 - this will add some needed variety to the lineup, but I'm concerned to hear it's not coming from Retro.

Pokemon - nice, it will ensure great sales for a while as long as they deliver.

This is where it gets risky - does anyone think MP4 or Pokemon will be out first half of 2018? If not, what will carry momentum through next year?  I have little faith in the 2017 game lineup to do that job (Zelda and Mario Kart maybe, but they'll be a year old).  Ironically, I think Skyrim and maybe Rocket League will do as much to save Switch in 2018 than anything Nintendo has scheduled.

First Nintendo doesn't have any 1st party problems, so headline in OP is false.

Zelda BotW and MK8D are doing phenomenal, for ARMS we have just Japanese number and there is going pretty good.

Splatoon 1 sold 4.8m on 13.5m Wii Us, you dont have any reason to doubt about Splatoon 2, it will easily sell more than Splatoon on Wii U and it will be systemy seller, especially in Japan.

Mario Odyssey is game that won E3 had incredible positive previews from E3 and Mario game that are people most exatid from Mario Galaxy, it has chance to be bigger game even Zelda BotW. Huge system seller that will probably hit 10m. Saying that 2D Mario would be better is not true.

Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Pokemon Tournament DX are not big system sellers, but of course some people will buy Switch for those games, but they will add nice variety to Switch lineup. Every of them will easily pass at least 1m sales.

Metroid Prime has strong fan base even game never was big or huge IP, but this is game that are people are asking for last 10 years, so definitely will be system seller (offcourse not on level like Zelda BotW or Mario Odyssey).

I don't even want to spand words on first HD Pokemon game and that could be played on TV.

 

Switch will have probably strongets 1st year ever if we talk about Nintendo consoles and Nintendo games. Basically Nintendo in 1st 10 months of Switch will have 4 IPs that are some of strongest Nintendo IPs, those games are so strong and good that will be selling Switch in following years also, but of course that Nintendo will have other games in next years like Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, Fire Emblem, Metroid Prime 4, Pikmin, 2D Mario, Yoshi, Kirby...and whats also important Nintendo is looking to schedule releases of their games in good way, so Switch doesn't have any droughts, Nintendo is looking to have one stronger or bigger game every month.

So I really don't understand your worry when is everything is looking good and you have nothing to backup your worries.



NawaiNey said:
collint0101 said:

Because they don't suck. Even the Wii u which is by far their weakest console has stuff like Tokyo mirage sessions, piknin 3, Splatoon, xenoblade X ect. Also Sony's handhelds don't suck either both the PSP and Vita have some really high quality releases. You have this weird mentality that what you're saying is absolute fact but no you're arguing opinions and personal taste. There is no best or worst line up it's all about what you personally want to play

If they don't suck, then why do their consoles die so quickly from lack of support? That's as sucky as sucky can get...

All of their consoles lasted for 5 or 6 years except for the Wii u. That's pretty normal



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Flilix said:
NawaiNey said:
Yeah, Nintendo has by far the worst first party software output, both in terms of quality and quantity. I think it's about time people started calling them out on it.

I was confident that you were joking, until I saw your previous posts.

Do you seriously think that Nintendo has worse/less games than Sony and Microsoft?

I fear that he really thinks that.

 

NawaiNey said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

Please elaborate on that.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=230049&page=1#

 

That's last gen software output by each of the 3 companies, I'm sure this one will go much the same way, or Nintendo might overtake Microsoft cause they've really lost the plot this gen. 

Nintendo support was always split on two platforms, in this case on Wii and DS, so if you really want to compare game score releases between Sony, MS and Nintendo games, you need to include handheld games also, because for instance MS supported only Xbox360 and Nintendo supported stronger DS than Sony supported PSP.



Miyamotoo said:
Flilix said:

I was confident that you were joking, until I saw your previous posts.

Do you seriously think that Nintendo has worse/less games than Sony and Microsoft?

I fear that he really thinks that.

 

NawaiNey said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=230049&page=1#

 

That's last gen software output by each of the 3 companies, I'm sure this one will go much the same way, or Nintendo might overtake Microsoft cause they've really lost the plot this gen. 

Nintendo support was always split on two platforms, in this case on Wii and DS, so if you really want to compare game score releases between Sony, MS and Nintendo games, you need to include handheld games also, because for instance MS supported only Xbox360 and Nintendo supported stronger DS than Sony supported PSP.

That's an invalid excuse, I don't care that some companies had multiple systems to support, that's not my problem. If you're going to put out a system then it's your job to support it, if you don't have enough studios then open more or don't put out multiple systems. A lot of us don't like gaming on a handheld, so whatever Sony or Nintendo throw in that direction is a waste in our eyes, and not an excuse for why they aren't supporting the system I do care about and bought. MS should be commended for acknowledging that they don't have the bandwidth to support a console and a handheld.



NawaiNey said:
Yeah, Nintendo has by far the worst first party software output, both in terms of quality and quantity. I think it's about time people started calling them out on it.

That's why Universal is spending $350m to build a section of theme park based on Nintendo IP.



NawaiNey said:
Miyamotoo said:

I fear that he really thinks that.

 

Nintendo support was always split on two platforms, in this case on Wii and DS, so if you really want to compare game score releases between Sony, MS and Nintendo games, you need to include handheld games also, because for instance MS supported only Xbox360 and Nintendo supported stronger DS than Sony supported PSP.

That's an invalid excuse, I don't care that some companies had multiple systems to support, that's not my problem. If you're going to put out a system then it's your job to support it, if you don't have enough studios then open more or don't put out multiple systems. A lot of us don't like gaming on a handheld, so whatever Sony or Nintendo throw in that direction is a waste in our eyes, and not an excuse for why they aren't supporting the system I do care about and bought. MS should be commended for acknowledging that they don't have the bandwidth to support a console and a handheld.

That's not excuse, it's a fact. Its not same when one company supports only one platform and other supporting two platforms, in that case you need to consider all Nintendo and all Sony games in that generation, not only home console.



Miyamotoo said:
NawaiNey said:

That's an invalid excuse, I don't care that some companies had multiple systems to support, that's not my problem. If you're going to put out a system then it's your job to support it, if you don't have enough studios then open more or don't put out multiple systems. A lot of us don't like gaming on a handheld, so whatever Sony or Nintendo throw in that direction is a waste in our eyes, and not an excuse for why they aren't supporting the system I do care about and bought. MS should be commended for acknowledging that they don't have the bandwidth to support a console and a handheld.

That's not excuse, it's a fact. Its not same when one company supports only one platform and other supporting two platforms, in that case you need to consider all Nintendo and all Sony games in that generation, not only home console.

No thank you, I'll consider their support for each piece of hardware they put out seperately as I do not buy all of them. 

And from my experience, Nintendo's support has been shit for the Nintendo divices I have owned.