With AMD they would gain 3rd party support
DélioPT said:
"Game Freaks has begun developing" and "now in development" point to recent events. The question was not if Nintendo wanted to please fans for not announcing a Switch Pokemon game in the ND. Your argument was that the Spotlight reveal was made because of that. |
Yes it can be go in both ways. But have on mind that Reggie and Nintendo were hinting Metroid Prime for quite time now.
Why you ingoring fact they said they "it may not be released in more than in year" for Pokemon. Holiday 2018. is year and half after E3 2017. so defiantly its posible that can be relased in 2018. and that actually even sound like they aiming holiday 2018. release. For Metroid Prime 4, we dont know for how much is development and of course also it could be released in holiday 2018. that again is around 1.5 year after E3 2017. announcement. I can't be wrong with that because I wrote they could be released in second half of 2018. not that they will certainly be released. But you will be wrong if only one is relased in 2018. beacuse you are saying they will not be relased in 2018.
You believe whatever you want, even dispte strong point and facts. Like I wrote, Force backlash doesn't have anything with this situation, what exactly they could said after FForce backlash, certainly they didn't want to say they are working on some "NX" game when "NX" still wasn't revealed, but actualy they did start hinting Metroid Prime after FForce backlash.
Only Mario Tennis!? :D You have plenty of those examples for Wii U and 3DS, SM3DW was 1st time shown at E3 2013. and released in November of same year, Paper Mario: Color Splash was revealed in March 2016. and released in October, Captain Toad was announced at E3 2014. and released in December of same year, TP HD was revealed in November and relesed in March (4 monts later), WW HD was revealed in January event and released in September, Animal Crossing and Mario Tennis were revealed at E3 2015. and were released in November, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse and Mario Party 10 at E3 2014. and they were relased in February and March, Hyrule Warriors was revealed in December and released in September...I will not even bother with 3DS games I will just mentione last example, this 3DS Pokemon was announced in June and it will be released in November, while previous one was announced in February and released in November of same year.
This is clear example how Nintendo is operating in most cases, they reveal and launch game in less than a year and like you can see there are plenty examples where they announced and released game in less than 6 months. Wii U list would have even much more examples if Wii U didnt sell terrible and Nintendo in panic mode announced most of Wii U projects they had in that time in January event just 2 months after Wii U launch. And now with Switch, they are going even for less time between annacument and launch (in most cases), because Switch is selling great and they have steady flow of good games without drouths compared to Wii U. You again fail to see that or from some reason you don't want to see that, but all that is reason why you don't need to be worry (and why most people are not worry), "because in middle of 2017. we have "only" 3 certain games that will be released in 2018", especially if we know that that all big internal projects are in development for Switch (most of 2017. and 2018. 3DS games are done buy external teams outside Nintendo and in most cases they are smaller projects, spinoffs and remasters).
If you want we can bet, I am sure until years end, Nintendo will announced at least around 2-3 more 2018. games, so at years end we will have at least (certain) 5-6 Switch 1st party/exclusives 2018. games. Of Course in January I expecting ND again with some other new anancuments.
h2ohno said: There's also the question of whether the same reviewers would give those games the same scores today. Perfect Dark Zero makes that list of quality Microsoft first-party games, but the consensus among both fans and critics today is that it never deserved that status and publications that reviews it highly are embarrassed by that. On the other hand publications were declaring Super Mario Galaxy the game of the generation 6 years after it was released. |
That could be said 20 years ago, today, and most likely it can be said for 20 years. When reviewers are giving they score, they dont think how that game would be 20 years ago or how it will be in 20 years, but how good is that game in current time.
Miyamotoo said:
That could be said 20 years ago, today, and most likely it can be said for 20 years. When reviewers are giving they score, they dont think how that game would be 20 years ago or how it will be in 20 years, but how good is that game in current time. |
There's still a difference between 'this was great when it came out, but standards have risen,' like Goldeneye, and 'what the heck were we thinking giving this game a good review in the first place,' like how almost everyone started looking at Perferct Dark Zero pretty quickly after its release.
h2ohno said:
There's still a difference between 'this was great when it came out, but standards have risen,' like Goldeneye, and 'what the heck were we thinking giving this game a good review in the first place,' like how almost everyone started looking at Perferct Dark Zero pretty quickly after its release. |
Of Course, always (even today) it can be said that some game received better scores than deserves, or that some received weaker than deserves, but that really doesn't change anything beacuse we can say that for curent games also or future.
Miyamotoo said:
Yes it can be go in both ways. But have on mind that Reggie and Nintendo were hinting Metroid Prime for quite time now. Why you ingoring fact they said they "it may not be released in more than in year" for Pokemon. Holiday 2018. is year and half after E3 2017. so defiantly its posible that can be relased in 2018. and that actually even sound like they aiming holiday 2018. release. For Metroid Prime 4, we dont know for how much is development and of course also it could be released in holiday 2018. that again is around 1.5 year after E3 2017. announcement. I can't be wrong with that because I wrote they could be released in second half of 2018. not that they will certainly be released. But you will be wrong if only one is relased in 2018. beacuse you are saying they will not be relased in 2018. You believe whatever you want, even dispte strong point and facts. Like I wrote, Force backlash doesn't have anything with this situation, what exactly they could said after FForce backlash, certainly they didn't want to say they are working on some "NX" game when "NX" still wasn't revealed, but actualy they did start hinting Metroid Prime after FForce backlash.
Only Mario Tennis!? :D You have plenty of those examples for Wii U and 3DS, SM3DW was 1st time shown at E3 2013. and released in November of same year, Paper Mario: Color Splash was revealed in March 2016. and released in October, Captain Toad was announced at E3 2014. and released in December of same year, TP HD was revealed in November and relesed in March (4 monts later), WW HD was revealed in January event and released in September, Animal Crossing and Mario Tennis were revealed at E3 2015. and were released in November, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse and Mario Party 10 at E3 2014. and they were relased in February and March, Hyrule Warriors was revealed in December and released in September...I will not even bother with 3DS games I will just mentione last example, this 3DS Pokemon was announced in June and it will be released in November, while previous one was announced in February and released in November of same year. This is clear example how Nintendo is operating in most cases, they reveal and launch game in less than a year and like you can see there are plenty examples where they announced and released game in less than 6 months. Wii U list would have even much more examples if Wii U didnt sell terrible and Nintendo in panic mode announced most of Wii U projects they had in that time in January event just 2 months after Wii U launch. And now with Switch, they are going even for less time between annacument and launch (in most cases), because Switch is selling great and they have steady flow of good games without drouths compared to Wii U. You again fail to see that or from some reason you don't want to see that, but all that is reason why you don't need to be worry (and why most people are not worry), "because in middle of 2017. we have "only" 3 certain games that will be released in 2018", especially if we know that that all big internal projects are in development for Switch (most of 2017. and 2018. 3DS games are done buy external teams outside Nintendo and in most cases they are smaller projects, spinoffs and remasters). If you want we can bet, I am sure until years end, Nintendo will announced at least around 2-3 more 2018. games, so at years end we will have at least (certain) 5-6 Switch 1st party/exclusives 2018. games. Of Course in January I expecting ND again with some other new anancuments. |
First, even if both Pokemon and MP4 were to be released i wouldn't be wrong because i'm only basing my expectations on Nintendo's own lack of specific release dates.
I already pointed out that the wording used for both announcements point to something recent. And with that, as i said before, no 2018 release date (= you being wrong).
I'll ask again, do you really believe that if Nintendo knew for a fact or had 2018 as a internal date, they wouldn't give it? What's stopping them? What's stopping them is that, given their own words and lack of a release date they know they won't make 2018.
You're not understanding the Federation Force example.
You said the Pokemon announcement was a reaction to the backlash caused by upset fans.
I told you that, in my opinion, it would be a bad business move. But not only that, Nintendo already had a BIGGER backlash and it didn't respond to it by revealing Metroid 3DS.
So no, i don't believe announcing Pokemon for Switch is a direct consequence of them having upset fans.
Yes, Nintendo is leaning more towards short time between reveal and announcements.
Still, one shouldn't forget Wii Fit U, Pikimin 3, Yoshi, Zelda (even if it had come out in 2015), Xenoblade, Bayonetta 2, W101, Mk8, Splatoon, Smash Brothers, Mario Maker, Starfox Zero, SMT x FE.
And with Switch, we already saw Nintendo announcing games that wouldn't come for a year, at least, like Mario, Skyrim, NBA. And even longer with Metroid and Pokemon.
The question is, Nintendo isn't shy about announcing games that are coming more than one year away. And so far, Pokemon and Metroid are proof and we could even add Fire Emblem.
I don't question now that Nintendo will announce more 2018, the same way as i expected them to do it if they didn't reveal more at E3.
The thing is, Nintendo's way isn't just revealing stuff that is coming in the next 6 months.
And it's still to early to decide on how Nintendo will reveal stuff now that 2017 is pretty much decided.
DélioPT said:
First, even if both Pokemon and MP4 were to be released i wouldn't be wrong because i'm only basing my expectations on Nintendo's own lack of specific release dates. |
No you would be wrong, you very clear wrote that those games want be out in 2018. I already wrote to you why Nintendo maybe didnt gave year of relase, beacuse they were just simple anancuments whitout any infos, probably they saving all infos for full and proper reveal of those games, like trailers, gameplay and year of release.
I also already answer you on that. Again, what exactly they could said after FForce backlash!? Certainly they didn't want to say they are working on some "NX" game when "NX" still wasn't revealed, but actualy they did start hinting Metroid Prime after FForce backlash.
Some of those games are announced before Wii U launch, some were announced in that panic January Nintendo Direct after launch. Splatoon was also announced and released in less than a year. Mario, Skyrim, NBA are revealed at Switch reveal just 5 monts before launch, so even if is more than year from their reveal to launch its not nothing strange because on console reveal you need to show some strong and important games (of course you can reveal console that will be out in 5 months without any game). I already answer for Metroid and Pokemon anancument (and you even have Reggie quote). Again, you have plenty example that I mentione where Nintendo anancing and releasing games in less than a year and actualy good number of example that they relasing game in less than 6 monts, fact that you only mentioned Mario Tennis proves you are not aware on what degree Nintendo is working to have less time between launch and release.
Nintendo will aways have some anancumet for games that want be out in less than year, but it's obvious they are lookin to have more announcements for game that will be announced and released in less than a year, especially now with Switch. And they several time said that.
Again, like I wrote, "This is clear example how Nintendo is operating in most cases, they reveal and launch game in less than a year and like you can see there are plenty examples where they announced and released game in less than 6 months. Wii U list would have even much more examples if Wii U didnt sell terrible and Nintendo in panic mode announced most of Wii U projects they had in that time in January event just 2 months after Wii U launch. And now with Switch, they are going even for less time between annacument and launch (in most cases), because Switch is selling great and they have steady flow of good games without drouths compared to Wii U. You again fail to see that or from some reason you don't want to see that, but all that is reason why you don't need to be worry (and why most people are not worry), "because in middle of 2017. we have "only" 3 certain games that will be released in 2018", especially if we know that that all big internal projects are in development for Switch (most of 2017. and 2018. 3DS games are done buy external teams outside Nintendo and in most cases they are smaller projects, spinoffs and remasters)".
I dont intend to reply any more beaucuse you again started to make points on which I already answered in previous posts, so you force me to repeat. You can expect or believe whatever you want, while keep ignoring clear examples and facts.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but damn, there are some dumb opinions out there. Mario a "loser product". Can't even begin.
Miyamotoo said:
No you would be wrong, you very clear wrote that those games want be out in 2018. I already wrote to you why Nintendo maybe didnt gave year of relase, beacuse they were just simple anancuments whitout any infos, probably they saving all infos for full and proper reveal of those games, like trailers, gameplay and year of release. I also already answer you on that. Again, what exactly they could said after FForce backlash!? Certainly they didn't want to say they are working on some "NX" game when "NX" still wasn't revealed, but actualy they did start hinting Metroid Prime after FForce backlash. Some of those games are announced before Wii U launch, some were announced in that panic January Nintendo Direct after launch. Splatoon was also announced and released in less than a year. Mario, Skyrim, NBA are revealed at Switch reveal just 5 monts before launch, so even if is more than year from their reveal to launch its not nothing strange because on console reveal you need to show some strong and important games (of course you can reveal console that will be out in 5 months without any game). I already answer for Metroid and Pokemon anancument (and you even have Reggie quote). Again, you have plenty example that I mentione where Nintendo anancing and releasing games in less than a year and actualy good number of example that they relasing game in less than 6 monts, fact that you only mentioned Mario Tennis proves you are not aware on what degree Nintendo is working to have less time between launch and release. Nintendo will aways have some anancumet for games that want be out in less than year, but it's obvious they are lookin to have more announcements for game that will be announced and released in less than a year, especially now with Switch. And they several time said that. Again, like I wrote, "This is clear example how Nintendo is operating in most cases, they reveal and launch game in less than a year and like you can see there are plenty examples where they announced and released game in less than 6 months. Wii U list would have even much more examples if Wii U didnt sell terrible and Nintendo in panic mode announced most of Wii U projects they had in that time in January event just 2 months after Wii U launch. And now with Switch, they are going even for less time between annacument and launch (in most cases), because Switch is selling great and they have steady flow of good games without drouths compared to Wii U. You again fail to see that or from some reason you don't want to see that, but all that is reason why you don't need to be worry (and why most people are not worry), "because in middle of 2017. we have "only" 3 certain games that will be released in 2018", especially if we know that that all big internal projects are in development for Switch (most of 2017. and 2018. 3DS games are done buy external teams outside Nintendo and in most cases they are smaller projects, spinoffs and remasters)".
I dont intend to reply any more beaucuse you again started to make points on which I already answered in previous posts, so you force me to repeat. You can expect or believe whatever you want, while keep ignoring clear examples and facts. |
I said they won't be out in 2018 for several reasons.
The most important being that Nintendo did not give them, despite giving release dates to 3 other games (Kirby, Yoshi and FE).
You can use as many quotes as you want, unless one of them says they are coming out in 2018, they are not coming out in 2018.
After the blacklash for FForce they could have revealed Metroid 3DS - seeing as FForce was actually a 3DS game.
Point being, Nintendo doesn't react to upset fans the way you said they did with Pokemon.
The question is not if they announce this long or that long before the console launch; the point is that they do announce stuff that is far ahead.
This has been my point since out conversation before E3.
I also gave several examples of them acting this way. If you choose not to see that they do this in a substantial manner, it's not my problem.
Switch also had games revealed more than one year away: Mario, NBA, Skyrim and you CAN add to that list - at least until something changes - Pokemon and Metroid.
Also, it's too early to say if Nintendo will opt more for games coming in the next 6 months/less than 12 months or more than one year.
I don't know how much stuff they have planned; i don't know how big their projects are; how they decided support for 3DS.
Don't jump into conclusions.
Don't forget that your main point in our conversation before E3 was that Nintendo only focuses on the current year (i wanted them to focus on next year!).
Bye.
NawaiNey said:
It's accepted among Nintendo fans that Nintendo makes the best games, but if you actually look at the reviews, or awards and such Nintendo is no where close to being the best. |
I don't know what data you're going by, but the most top 10 most highest rated games lists are dominated by Nintendo.