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Slade6alpha said:
They make better first party than Sony and MS... don't see the issue.

No the hell they don't.



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NawaiNey said:
Slade6alpha said:
They make better first party than Sony and MS... don't see the issue.

No the hell they don't.

It's all subjective, someone is allowed to have that opinion



DélioPT said:

Their isn't a problem with 2018, but there can be.
First, Pikmin 4 isn't a garanteed 2018 title. Nintendo hasn't confirmed and the "it's been in development since 2015" means nothing. 
We don't know how the development process is going, and if i'm not mistaken, Starfox Zero was in development since the Wii days and it came out in 2015.

Out of the blue there can be many things but no one knows that.
What we know is that by the end of E3 we have 3 games announced and instead of using their E3 time to announce more games for 2018 they wasted two perfectly good announcements of non 2018 games.

They could fill you with a remake every month if they wanted to. But that's not the point, is it?

I checked Sony's E3 2013 and 2016 conference, and to my surprise, the majority of games shown were for the current year or the next.
I don't know if SOny announces games a few months from reveal or not, but that really changes nothing.

Maybe it's not guaranteed, but I would bet money on it. Pikmin 4 has been known to be in development for what, 4 years now? Strategically, I believe Nintendo refrained from a lot of announcements at E3 ala Pikmin 4 to not overshadow the upcoming "Hey Pikmin". Same reason for not showing a Smash port could be to not discourage people from buying ARMS. Animal Crossing? Easily there will be a Direct later this year discussing the mobile game- and that could be used to build momentum for an upcoming 2018 title. Nintendo have discussed Wii U ports and have not declined them. They said as much that if they'd do it, they're going to supplement it to ensure it's price tag/not screwing Wii U owners.

Nintendo already told us that the E3 was focused on 2017, and they also told us it's only 25 minutes. They have Directs to show games. Many new games have been revealed in Directs and have sold decently well. Take Tropical Freeze for example. It's probably the best one I've got.

Anyway, stop stressing out please. Who cares about first party? At this point all that matters is exclusives. The previous list of games I showed you earlier where all exclusives, except possibly Octopath; the exclusivity is unknown. I'm not even hardcore for Nintendo like you are either.



Jumpin said:

2D Mario games don't sell consoles on their own, 3D Mario games do. Also Pokémon announced for 2018, and that will sell a lot of consoles. On 3DS, it allowed the handheld to increase year over year. The only active console which did that.

2D Mario games sell better than 3D Mario games, statistically. Although this generation, it's safe to say that is steadily not becoming the case. 

NSMBU > 3D World just by maybe around 800,000 units

However 3D Land > NSMB2 by 500,000 units (?)

Either way, both these games appeal to different audiences. Personally, 2D Mario doesn't sell systems for me, but it sure as hell sells systems to the casual audience, and sales prove this. New Super Mario Bros. DS and Wii are record-breaking sellers. They probably don't take much time to make either, so it wouldn't hurt to have them on there.



NawaiNey said:
Slade6alpha said:
They make better first party than Sony and MS... don't see the issue.

No the hell they don't.

Its an opinion.Its subjective.

But if you want to be as objective as possible, its widely aceppted(as in the majority agree) that Nintendo is the best developer of first party games of the big three, by quantity and quality.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

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Nautilus said:
NawaiNey said:

No the hell they don't.

Its an opinion.Its subjective.

But if you want to be as objective as possible, its widely aceppted(as in the majority agree) that Nintendo is the best developer of first party games of the big three, by quantity and quality.

It's accepted among Nintendo fans that Nintendo makes the best games, but if you actually look at the reviews, or awards and such Nintendo is no where close to being the best. 



NawaiNey said:
Slade6alpha said:
They make better first party than Sony and MS... don't see the issue.

No the hell they don't.

Yes they do. "Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale" and "Little Big Planet Karting" are inspired by Nintendo. 



NawaiNey said:
Nautilus said:

Its an opinion.Its subjective.

But if you want to be as objective as possible, its widely aceppted(as in the majority agree) that Nintendo is the best developer of first party games of the big three, by quantity and quality.

It's accepted among Nintendo fans that Nintendo makes the best games, but if you actually look at the reviews, or awards and such Nintendo is no where close to being the best. 

Ok, so since you seem to swear by Metacritic, I assume you agree that Zelda OoT is the greatest game of all time?

Also, why do you only look to last gen to compare the big three and their outut/scores? Because Metacritic has a handy feature where you can easily see the average score for publishers and the amount of games they have reviewed, but I suspect you actually knew about that, but didn't bring it up/include it anywhere because it went against your narrative. For example, according to Metacritic, Nintendo has an average score of 76 from 549 game reviews, of which 314 are positive, 223 mixed, and 12 negative; the highest score from those games being a 99, and the lowest a 37. Compare that to Sony, who has an average score of 73 from 538 game reviews, of which 262 reviews are positive, 265 are mixed, and 11 are negative. The highest score from those games is a 96, and the lowest is 36. Finally, we have Microsoft, who has an average score of 74 from 367 game reviews, of which 205 are positive, 146 are mixed, and 16 are negative. The highest scored game from those are a 97, and the lowest 28. From this apparently factual and correct evidence from Metacriticsince you seem to love to use it so much of course, we can safely conclude that Nintendo makes the best games, and they also have the highest output of games.

You agree of course, right?

EDIT: Here's a link if you want to look for yourself www.metacritic.com/browse/games/company/popular



NawaiNey said:
Nautilus said:

Its an opinion.Its subjective.

But if you want to be as objective as possible, its widely aceppted(as in the majority agree) that Nintendo is the best developer of first party games of the big three, by quantity and quality.

It's accepted among Nintendo fans that Nintendo makes the best games, but if you actually look at the reviews, or awards and such Nintendo is no where close to being the best. 

Review? Based on review, Zelda Ocarina of Time and Breath of The Wild are two of the best games of all time



John19 said:
NawaiNey said:

It's accepted among Nintendo fans that Nintendo makes the best games, but if you actually look at the reviews, or awards and such Nintendo is no where close to being the best. 

Ok, so since you seem to swear by Metacritic, I assume you agree that Zelda OoT is the greatest game of all time?

Also, why do you only look to last gen to compare the big three and their outut/scores? Because Metacritic has a handy feature where you can easily see the average score for publishers and the amount of games they have reviewed, but I suspect you actually knew about that, but didn't bring it up/include it anywhere because it went against your narrative. For example, according to Metacritic, Nintendo has an average score of 76 from 549 game reviews, of which 314 are positive, 223 mixed, and 12 negative; the highest score from those games being a 99, and the lowest a 37. Compare that to Sony, who has an average score of 73 from 538 game reviews, of which 262 reviews are positive, 265 are mixed, and 11 are negative. The highest score from those games is a 96, and the lowest is 36. Finally, we have Microsoft, who has an average score of 74 from 367 game reviews, of which 205 are positive, 146 are mixed, and 16 are negative. The highest scored game from those are a 97, and the lowest 28. From this apparently factual and correct evidence from Metacriticsince you seem to love to use it so much of course, we can safely conclude that Nintendo makes the best games, and they also have the highest output of games.

You agree of course, right?

EDIT: Here's a link if you want to look for yourself www.metacritic.com/browse/games/company/popular

great reply



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